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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Jakub Kicinski <jakub.kicinski@netronome.com>
Cc: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	oss-drivers@netronome.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] firmware: wake all waiters
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 14:44:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFxivLtaFEur99eZpoafcweK1WNvSu2vEvxXvj5gKB8CdA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170623233702.20564-1-jakub.kicinski@netronome.com>

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Jakub Kicinski
<jakub.kicinski@netronome.com> wrote:
> -               swake_up(&fw_st->wq);
> +               swake_up_all(&fw_st->wq);

Why is that code using the braindamaed "swait" model in the first place?

That's the real problem here - swait() is a very specialized
interface, and it does not make sense to use it here.

Among all the simplifications it has is exactly the fact that it wakes
up only one thing, because it is *so* specialized.

But the *only* reason for swait is extreme memory issues and some very
special realtime issues, where it saves a couple of bytes in
structures that need close packing, and doesn't even use normal
spinlocks, so it saves a couple of cycles at wakeup/sleep because it
doesn't do a good job in general.

The "avoid normal spinlocks" is because it is meant for code that is
*so* special that it needs the magical low-level raw spinlocks.

I really have *no* idea why the firmware code uses that idiotic
special wait-queue. It has no reason to do so, except this comment
from the commit that added it:

  "We use also swait instead of wait because don't need all the additional
    features wait provides."

which is bogus, since it clearly just got the waiting wrong exactly
*because* swait is pretty damn bad and specialized.

I think the two valid users are RCU (which needed it for RT), and kvm
(which also needed it for similar issues - it needs to be
non-preemptible).

I don't see any similar reason for the firmware loading, and all it
did was use an odd interface that resulted in this bug.

Why is the firmware code being so damn odd on purpose?

           Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-06-26 21:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-23 23:37 [PATCH] firmware: wake all waiters Jakub Kicinski
2017-06-26 21:20 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-26 21:23   ` [PATCH v2] firmware: fix batched requests - " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 15:16     ` Greg KH
2017-06-29 15:17       ` Greg KH
2017-06-29 17:36         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-26 23:41   ` [PATCH] firmware: " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-27  2:10   ` Jakub Kicinski
2017-06-27 16:39     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-27 21:25       ` Jakub Kicinski
2017-06-27 22:24         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-27 22:39           ` Jakub Kicinski
2017-06-27 23:50             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-28  7:06           ` [systemd-devel] " Lennart Poettering
2017-06-28 16:06             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-28 16:21               ` Lennart Poettering
2017-06-28 17:57                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 19:56               ` Daniel Wagner
2017-06-27 17:48     ` Bjorn Andersson
2017-06-27 18:03       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-27 18:59         ` Bjorn Andersson
2017-06-27 19:08           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-27 19:52             ` Bjorn Andersson
2017-06-27 20:24               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-26 21:44 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2017-06-26 23:30   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-26 23:43     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-27  0:15       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-28 13:45         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-06-28 15:58           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-28 19:03             ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-06-29 19:08         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-06-29 19:48           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-30 16:32             ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-07-05 16:18     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-05 16:33       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-12 18:45         ` Luis R. Rodriguez

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