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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Will Drewry <wad@chromium.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, keescook@chromium.org,
	john.johansen@canonical.com, serge.hallyn@canonical.com,
	coreyb@linux.vnet.ibm.com, pmoore@redhat.com, eparis@redhat.com,
	djm@mindrot.org, segoon@openwall.com, jmorris@namei.org,
	scarybeasts@gmail.com, avi@redhat.com, penberg@cs.helsinki.fi,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, luto@mit.edu, mingo@elte.hu,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, khilman@ti.com,
	borislav.petkov@amd.com, amwang@redhat.com, ak@linux.intel.com,
	eric.dumazet@gmail.com, gregkh@suse.de, dhowells@redhat.com,
	daniel.lezcano@free.fr, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, olofj@chromium.org,
	mhalcrow@google.com, dlaor@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC,PATCH 1/2] seccomp_filters: system call filtering using BPF
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:38:39 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFy+qV4DGFqJX=dXsYhiTdR02HK-6xvxZJuZN5OMJt9=Rg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120112232735.5fa251e3@pyramind.ukuu.org.uk>

On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:
>
> It's a change of user context. Things like ptrace and file permissions
> basically mean you can't build a barrier between stuff running as the
> same uid to a great extent except with heavy restricting, but saying
> "you can't become someone else" is very useful.

Not just "someone else".

The guarantee basically has to be "you can't change your security
context". Where "become somebody else" is part of it, but any
capability changes etc would be part of it too. So it should disable
all games with capabilities etc.

And I don't think selinux really should be all that much of a problem
- we should just make sure that selinux would honor such a bit, and
refuse to do any op that would change any selinux capabilities either.
Same goes for other security models.

And that may include restricting the ways a binary can be executed
totally outside of suid/sgid bits. For example, if you consider
binaries under /home to have different selinxu rules than system
binaries in /usr/bin, then a cross-execute from one to the other may
not work, regardless of whether it's suid or not.

I think that is the kind of guarantee a sandbox environment really
wants: "I'm setting up a sandbox, you'd better not change the
permissions on me regardless of what crazy things I do".

                       Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2012-01-12 23:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 235+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-01-11 17:25 [RFC,PATCH 0/2] dynamic seccomp policies (using BPF filters) Will Drewry
2012-01-11 17:25 ` [RFC,PATCH 1/2] seccomp_filters: system call filtering using BPF Will Drewry
2012-01-12  8:53   ` Serge Hallyn
2012-01-12 16:54     ` Will Drewry
2012-01-12 14:50   ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-12 16:55     ` Will Drewry
2012-01-12 15:43   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-01-12 16:14     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-12 16:38       ` Steven Rostedt
2012-01-12 16:47         ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-12 17:08           ` Will Drewry
2012-01-12 17:30         ` Jamie Lokier
2012-01-12 17:40           ` Steven Rostedt
2012-01-12 17:44             ` Jamie Lokier
2012-01-12 17:56               ` Steven Rostedt
2012-01-12 23:27                 ` Alan Cox
2012-01-12 23:38                   ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2012-01-12 22:18             ` Will Drewry
2012-01-12 23:00               ` Andrew Lutomirski
2012-01-12 16:14     ` Andrew Lutomirski
2012-01-12 16:27       ` Steven Rostedt
2012-01-12 16:51         ` Andrew Lutomirski
2012-01-12 17:09         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-12 17:17           ` Steven Rostedt
2012-01-12 18:18           ` Andrew Lutomirski
2012-01-12 18:32             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-12 18:44               ` Andrew Lutomirski
2012-01-12 19:08                 ` Kyle Moffett
2012-01-12 23:05                   ` Eric Paris
2012-01-12 23:33                     ` Andrew Lutomirski
2012-01-12 19:40                 ` Will Drewry
2012-01-12 19:42                   ` Will Drewry
2012-01-12 19:46                   ` Andrew Lutomirski
2012-01-12 20:00                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-12 16:59     ` Will Drewry
2012-01-12 17:22       ` Jamie Lokier
2012-01-12 17:35         ` Will Drewry
2012-01-12 17:57           ` Jamie Lokier
2012-01-12 18:03             ` Will Drewry
2012-01-13  1:34               ` Jamie Lokier
2012-01-13  2:44             ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-13  6:33             ` Chris Evans
2012-01-12 17:36     ` Jamie Lokier
2012-01-12 16:18   ` Alan Cox
2012-01-12 17:03     ` Will Drewry
2012-01-12 17:11       ` Alan Cox
2012-01-12 17:52         ` Will Drewry
2012-01-13  1:31     ` James Morris
2012-01-12 16:22   ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-12 17:10     ` Will Drewry
2012-01-12 17:23       ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-12 17:51         ` Will Drewry
2012-01-13 17:31           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-13 19:01             ` Will Drewry
2012-01-13 23:10               ` Will Drewry
2012-01-13 23:12                 ` Will Drewry
2012-01-13 23:30                 ` Eric Paris
2012-01-15  3:40                 ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-16  1:40                   ` Will Drewry
2012-01-16  6:49                     ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-16 20:12                       ` Will Drewry
2012-01-17  6:46                         ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-17 17:37                           ` Will Drewry
2012-01-18  4:06                             ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-18  4:38                               ` Will Drewry
2012-01-17 20:34                           ` Kees Cook
2012-01-17 20:42                             ` Will Drewry
2012-01-17 21:09                               ` Will Drewry
2012-01-18  4:47                               ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-16 18:37                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-16 20:15                   ` Will Drewry
2012-01-17 16:45                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-17 16:56                       ` Will Drewry
2012-01-17 17:01                         ` Andrew Lutomirski
2012-01-17 17:05                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-17 17:45                             ` Andrew Lutomirski
2012-01-18  0:56                               ` Compat 32-bit syscall entry from 64-bit task!? [was: Re: [RFC,PATCH 1/2] seccomp_filters: system call filtering using BPF] Indan Zupancic
2012-01-18  1:01                                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2012-01-19  1:06                                   ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-19  1:19                                     ` Andrew Lutomirski
2012-01-19  1:47                                       ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-18  1:07                                 ` Roland McGrath
2012-01-18  1:47                                   ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-18  1:48                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2012-01-18  1:50                                 ` Andi Kleen
2012-01-18  2:00                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-01-18  2:04                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2012-01-18  2:22                                     ` Andi Kleen
2012-01-18  2:25                                       ` Andrew Lutomirski
2012-01-18  4:22                                       ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-18  5:23                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-18  6:25                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-18 13:12                                             ` Compat 32-bit syscall entry from 64-bit task!? Indan Zupancic
2012-01-18 19:31                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-18 19:36                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2012-01-18 19:39                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-18 19:44                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2012-01-18 19:47                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-18 19:52                                                         ` Will Drewry
2012-01-18 19:58                                                           ` Will Drewry
2012-01-18 19:41                                                   ` Martin Mares
2012-01-18 19:38                                                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2012-01-19 16:01                                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2012-01-19 16:13                                                     ` Andrew Lutomirski
2012-01-19 19:21                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-19 19:30                                                       ` Andrew Lutomirski
2012-01-19 19:37                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-19 19:41                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-19 23:54                                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2012-01-20  0:05                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-20 15:35                                                       ` Will Drewry
2012-01-20 17:56                                                         ` Roland McGrath
2012-01-20 19:45                                                           ` Will Drewry
2012-01-18 20:26                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-18 20:55                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-01-18 21:01                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-18 21:04                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-01-18 21:21                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-01-18 21:51                                                           ` Roland McGrath
2012-01-18 21:53                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-01-18 23:28                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-19  0:38                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-01-20 21:51                                                                   ` Denys Vlasenko
2012-01-20 22:40                                                                     ` Roland McGrath
2012-01-20 22:41                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-01-20 23:49                                                                         ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-20 23:55                                                                           ` Roland McGrath
2012-01-20 23:58                                                                             ` hpanvin@gmail.com
2012-01-23  2:14                                                                             ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-21  0:07                                                                           ` Denys Vlasenko
2012-01-21  0:10                                                                             ` Roland McGrath
2012-01-21  1:23                                                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2012-01-23  2:37                                                                                 ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-23 16:48                                                                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-24  8:19                                                                       ` Indan Zupancic
2012-02-06 20:30                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-06 20:39                                                                         ` Roland McGrath
2012-02-06 20:42                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-01-18 21:26                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-18 21:30                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-01-18 21:42                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-18 21:47                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-01-19  1:45                                                           ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-19  2:16                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-06  8:32                                                   ` Indan Zupancic
2012-02-06 17:02                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-07  1:52                                                       ` Indan Zupancic
2012-02-09  0:19                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-09  4:20                                                           ` Indan Zupancic
2012-02-09  4:29                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-09  6:03                                                               ` Indan Zupancic
2012-02-09 14:47                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-09 16:00                                                               ` H.J. Lu
2012-02-10  1:09                                                                 ` Indan Zupancic
2012-02-10  1:15                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-10  2:29                                                                     ` Indan Zupancic
2012-02-10  2:47                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                                                       ` <cc95fcf4b1c28ee6f73e373d04593634.squirrel@webmail.greenhost.nl>
2012-02-10 15:53                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-10 22:42                                                                           ` Indan Zupancic
2012-02-10 22:56                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-12 12:07                                                                               ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-25 19:36                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-25 20:20                                                   ` Pedro Alves
2012-01-25 23:36                                                     ` Denys Vlasenko
2012-01-25 23:32                                                   ` Denys Vlasenko
2012-01-26  0:40                                                     ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-26  1:08                                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2012-01-26  1:22                                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2012-01-26  6:34                                                         ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-26 10:31                                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2012-01-26 10:40                                                             ` Denys Vlasenko
2012-01-26 11:01                                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2012-01-26 14:02                                                                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2012-01-26 11:19                                                               ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-26 11:20                                                             ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-26 11:47                                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2012-01-26 14:05                                                                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2012-01-27  7:23                                                                 ` Indan Zupancic
2012-02-10  2:02                                                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2012-02-10  3:37                                                                     ` Indan Zupancic
2012-02-10 21:19                                                                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2012-01-26  1:09                                                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2012-01-26  3:47                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-26 18:03                                                           ` Denys Vlasenko
2017-03-08 23:41                                                             ` Dmitry V. Levin
2017-03-09  4:39                                                               ` Andrew Lutomirski
2017-03-14  2:57                                                                 ` Dmitry V. Levin
2012-01-26  5:57                                                         ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-26  0:59                                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2012-01-26  1:21                                                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2012-01-26  8:23                                                       ` Pedro Alves
2012-01-26  8:53                                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2012-01-26  9:51                                                           ` Pedro Alves
2012-01-26 18:44                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-02-10  2:51                                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2012-01-18 15:04                                             ` Compat 32-bit syscall entry from 64-bit task!? [was: Re: [RFC,PATCH 1/2] seccomp_filters: system call filtering using BPF] Eric Paris
2012-01-18 17:51                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-18  5:43                                         ` Chris Evans
2012-01-18 12:12                                           ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-18 21:13                                             ` Chris Evans
2012-01-19  0:14                                               ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-19  8:16                                                 ` Chris Evans
2012-01-19 11:34                                                   ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-19 16:11                                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2012-01-19 15:40                                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2012-01-18 17:00                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-18 17:12                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-18 21:09                                               ` Chris Evans
2012-01-23 16:56                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-23 22:23                                                   ` Chris Evans
2012-02-07 11:45                                               ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-19  0:29                                             ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-18  2:27                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-18  2:31                                       ` Andi Kleen
2012-01-18  2:46                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-18 14:06                                           ` Martin Mares
2012-01-18 18:24                                             ` Andi Kleen
2012-01-19 16:04                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2012-01-20  0:21                                                 ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-20  0:53                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-20  2:02                                                     ` Indan Zupancic
2012-01-17 17:06                           ` [RFC,PATCH 1/2] seccomp_filters: system call filtering using BPF Will Drewry
2012-01-17 19:35                         ` Will Drewry
2012-01-12 17:02   ` Andrew Lutomirski
2012-01-16 20:28     ` Will Drewry
2012-01-11 17:25 ` [RFC,PATCH 2/2] Documentation: prctl/seccomp_filter Will Drewry
2012-01-11 20:03   ` Jonathan Corbet
2012-01-11 20:10     ` Will Drewry
2012-01-11 23:19       ` [PATCH v2 " Will Drewry
2012-01-12  0:29         ` Will Drewry
2012-01-12 18:16         ` Randy Dunlap
2012-01-12 17:23           ` Will Drewry
2012-01-12 17:34             ` Steven Rostedt
2012-01-12 13:13   ` [RFC,PATCH " Łukasz Sowa
2012-01-12 17:25     ` Will Drewry

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