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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: "Pali Rohár" <pali@kernel.org>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Linux 6.2-rc1
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2023 12:03:40 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wjJ=wD5D80hkWNCjJqS+djckAL+nXhXaHaiFzMAMve3rA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1933bddd-42d7-d92b-974f-f26c46c01547@kernel.dk>

On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 11:40 AM Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk> wrote:
>
> Or even implement it in UDF itself somehow. But yes, ideally we'd punt all
> of this data gathering to userspace and just leave the trivial init/stop
> atapi/scsi commands to cdrom/sr.

I wonder how much of that could be done by just having a different
elevator algorithm for cdrw devices..

Anyway, realistically I suspect the real answer is that "nobody cares
enough any more". I suspect most people haven't used RW optical media
in over a decade, and we're talking about an increasingly dwindling
niche use.

Optical media may still make sense for backup, but probably not the
"filesystem" kind.

So nobody is going to be motivated to do any development in this area,
and the best we can do is probably to just keep it limping along.

Now, it's a bit sad how pktcdvd is the only user of that 'struct
block_device_operations' devnode thing, and I liked how that went away
after the removal of this driver.

And I'm not sure why pktcdvd needs it, everybody else seems to be
happy with gendisk->disk_name.

There's probably other cruft in pktcdvd that could be removed without
removing the whole driver, but I do get the feeling that it's just
less pain to keep the status quo, and that there isn't really much
motivation for anybody to do anything else.

                   Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-05 20:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-25 22:07 Linux 6.2-rc1 Linus Torvalds
2022-12-26 19:52 ` Guenter Roeck
2022-12-26 20:56   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-12-26 21:03     ` Kees Cook
2022-12-26 22:10       ` Guenter Roeck
2022-12-27  0:29       ` Guenter Roeck
2022-12-27  1:32         ` Kees Cook
2022-12-27  5:52           ` Guenter Roeck
2022-12-28  3:40             ` Kees Cook
2022-12-28 14:44               ` Guenter Roeck
2023-01-07  0:06                 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2022-12-26 22:41     ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-12-26 21:10   ` Max Filippov
2022-12-26 22:08     ` Guenter Roeck
2022-12-27  8:29 ` Build regressions/improvements in v6.2-rc1 Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-12-27  8:35   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-01-01  1:33     ` Rob Landley
2023-01-01 12:24       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-01-04  6:32         ` Michael Ellerman
2023-01-06 15:10     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-01-06 15:17       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-01-06 15:18         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-01-17 16:42         ` Calculating array sizes in C - was: " John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-01-17 17:01           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-01-17 17:06             ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-01-17 20:05               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-01-17 20:37                 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-01-19 22:11                   ` Michael.Karcher
2023-01-20  3:31                     ` Rob Landley
2023-01-20 10:53                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2023-01-20 18:29                         ` Michael.Karcher
2023-01-20  8:49                     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-01-20 19:29                       ` Michael Karcher
2023-01-21 21:26                         ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-01-06 15:39     ` Alex Deucher
2023-01-04 19:01 ` Linux 6.2-rc1 Pali Rohár
2023-01-04 19:25   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-01-04 20:56     ` Pali Rohár
2023-01-04 21:27       ` Pali Rohár
2023-01-04 21:32       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-01-04 21:43         ` Jens Axboe
2023-01-05 11:25           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-01-05 15:26             ` Jens Axboe
2023-01-05 17:42           ` Pali Rohár
2023-01-05 17:45             ` Jens Axboe
2023-01-05 19:06               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-01-05 19:22                 ` Pali Rohár
2023-01-05 19:40                 ` Jens Axboe
2023-01-05 20:03                   ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2023-01-05 20:33                     ` Jens Axboe
2023-01-06 16:58                       ` Pali Rohár
2023-01-06 17:04                         ` Jens Axboe
2023-01-28 19:34                           ` pktcdvd Pali Rohár
2023-01-28 19:43                             ` pktcdvd Linus Torvalds
2023-01-29 21:53                               ` pktcdvd Jens Axboe
2023-01-29 21:55                             ` pktcdvd Jens Axboe
2023-01-29 22:21                               ` pktcdvd Pali Rohár
2023-01-29 22:34                                 ` pktcdvd Jens Axboe

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