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From: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
Cc: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Crypto Mailing List <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v6 00/23] WireGuard: Secure Network Tunnel
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 14:22:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHmME9r6-DHLwePQGBGcnPUZuZgZ2GtSUX9arsWzLqhKxd=uDA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKv+Gu8fr_qADiTJH05nVWF7Yi3U722nfKJsMaRE9CP3YjNBbg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 8:04 AM Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org> wrote:
> Also, I still think the name Zinc (zinc is not crypto/) is needlessly
> divisive and condescending, and unsaying it (in v2 and up) doesn't
> really work on the Internet (especially since you are still repeating
> it in your conference talk.)
> Jason, you seem to hate the existing crypto framework with passion,
> and the name reflects that.

It's not divisive or condescending. I don't hate the existing
framework with a passion -- this is patently false. The name even with
its original acronym doesn't imply anything essentially negative. I
see that you've repeatedly misinterpreted it this way -- which is why
I removed that from v2 for the avoidance of doubt --  but that doesn't
change the fact that its proper interpretation is not a condescending
or divisive one.

Look, people love to bikeshed about names. I'm sure you'll be able to
CC-in a large crew of people who have opinions in one way or another,
and this thread could begin to have many voices on that front or on
multiple fronts. There are real benefits of sticking with the name
I've given to the library I've spent enormous amounts of time writing.
And so I'm going to stick with Zinc, since that's why our library is
called. Sorry. We can talk about this at Plumbers in Vancouver if you
want, but I think you're not going to get very far with a mailing list
naming bikeshed.

Meanwhile, I'm working around the clock to integrate your very useful
technical suggestions, so please keep them coming if you still have
technical nits you'd like to be in v7 of this patchset.

Jason

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-10-02 12:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 146+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-25 14:55 [PATCH net-next v6 00/23] WireGuard: Secure Network Tunnel Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 01/23] asm: simd context helper API Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-28  8:28   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-28  8:49     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-28 13:47       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-28 13:52         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-28 13:59           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-28 14:00             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-28 14:01               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-30  4:20                 ` Joe Perches
2018-09-30  5:35                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-01  1:43                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-10-02  7:18                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-28 13:45     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 02/23] zinc: introduce minimal cryptography library Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 18:33   ` Joe Perches
2018-09-25 19:43     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 20:00       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-25 20:02         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 20:05       ` Joe Perches
2018-09-25 20:12         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 20:21           ` Joe Perches
2018-09-25 20:54             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 21:02               ` Joe Perches
2018-09-25 21:03                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 03/23] zinc: ChaCha20 generic C implementation and selftest Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-28 15:40   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-29  1:53     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-10-02  3:15   ` Herbert Xu
2018-10-02  3:18     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 04/23] zinc: ChaCha20 x86_64 implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-28 15:47   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-29  2:01     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-29  7:56       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-09-29  8:00         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-29  8:11           ` Borislav Petkov
2018-09-29  8:27             ` Abel Vesa
2018-10-02  1:09         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-10-02  1:07     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-10-02  3:18   ` Herbert Xu
2018-10-02  3:20     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 05/23] zinc: import Andy Polyakov's ChaCha20 ARM and ARM64 implementations Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-28 15:49   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-28 15:51     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-28 15:57     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 06/23] zinc: port " Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 07/23] zinc: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-26  8:59   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-26 13:32     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-26 14:02       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-26 15:41         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-26 16:54           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-26 17:07             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-26 17:37           ` Eric Biggers
2018-09-26 17:46             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-26 15:41         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-26 15:45           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-26 15:49             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-26 15:51               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-26 15:58                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-27  0:04                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-27 13:26                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-27 15:19                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-27 16:26                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-27 17:06                         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-26 16:21         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-26 17:03           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-26 17:08             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-26 17:23             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-26 14:36       ` Andrew Lunn
2018-09-26 15:25         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-28 16:01   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-29  2:20     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-29  6:16       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-30  2:33         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 08/23] zinc: ChaCha20 MIPS32r2 implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 09/23] zinc: Poly1305 generic C implementations and selftest Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 10/23] zinc: Poly1305 x86_64 implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 11/23] zinc: import Andy Polyakov's Poly1305 ARM and ARM64 implementations Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-10-03  6:12   ` Eric Biggers
2018-10-03  7:58     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-10-03 14:08       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-10-03 14:45         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 12/23] zinc: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 13/23] zinc: Poly1305 MIPS32r2 and MIPS64 implementations Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 14/23] zinc: ChaCha20Poly1305 construction and selftest Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 15/23] zinc: BLAKE2s generic C implementation " Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 16/23] zinc: BLAKE2s x86_64 implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 17/23] zinc: Curve25519 generic C implementations and selftest Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 18:38   ` Joe Perches
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 18/23] zinc: Curve25519 x86_64 implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 19/23] zinc: Curve25519 ARM implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-10-02 16:59   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-10-02 21:35     ` Richard Weinberger
2018-10-03  1:03     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-10-05 15:05       ` D. J. Bernstein
2018-10-05 15:16         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-10-05 18:40         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-10-03  3:10     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 20/23] crypto: port Poly1305 to Zinc Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 21/23] crypto: port ChaCha20 " Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-10-02  3:26   ` Herbert Xu
2018-10-02  3:31     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-10-03  5:56   ` Eric Biggers
2018-10-03 14:01     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 22/23] security/keys: rewrite big_key crypto to use Zinc Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-25 14:56 ` [PATCH net-next v6 23/23] net: WireGuard secure network tunnel Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-26 16:00   ` Ivan Labáth
2018-09-26 16:04     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-11-05 13:06       ` Ivan Labáth
2018-11-12 23:53         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-11-13  0:10           ` Dave Taht
2018-11-13  0:13             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-27  1:15   ` Andrew Lunn
2018-09-27 22:37     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-28  1:09       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-28 15:01       ` Andrew Lunn
2018-09-28 15:04         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-10-03 11:15   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-10-03 14:12     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-10-03 14:13       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-10-03 14:25         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-10-03 14:28           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-27 18:29 ` [PATCH net-next v6 00/23] WireGuard: Secure Network Tunnel Eric Biggers
2018-09-27 21:35   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-28  1:17     ` Eric Biggers
2018-09-28  2:35       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-28  4:55         ` Eric Biggers
2018-09-28  5:46           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-28  7:52             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-28 13:40               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-10-02  3:39               ` Herbert Xu
2018-10-02  3:45                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-10-02  3:49                   ` Herbert Xu
2018-10-02  6:04                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-10-02  6:43                     ` Richard Weinberger
2018-10-02 12:22                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld [this message]
2018-10-03  6:49                       ` Eric Biggers
2018-10-05 13:13                         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-10-05 13:37                           ` Richard Weinberger
2018-10-05 13:46                             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-10-05 13:53                               ` Richard Weinberger
2018-10-05 17:50                             ` David Miller
2018-09-28 17:47             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-29  2:40               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-29  5:35                 ` Willy Tarreau

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