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From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
To: Andrew Vagin <avagin@parallels.com>
Cc: Andrey Vagin <avagin@openvz.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, criu@openvz.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@parallels.com>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@openvz.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] signalfd: a kernel interface for dumping pending signals
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:11:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKgNAkjCX4L6R3X7uaLufjY61ZszQTWbD+bLqadGRB-HLNKOrw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130123110323.GA23139@paralelels.com>

Hi Andrey,

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Andrew Vagin <avagin@parallels.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 05:19:24AM +0100, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
>> Hi Andrey,
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Andrey Vagin <avagin@openvz.org> wrote:
>> > This patch set adds ability to choose a signal queue and
>> > to read signals without dequeuing them.
>> >
>> > Three new flags are added:
>> > SFD_SHARED_QUEUE     -- reads will be from process-wide shared signal queue
>> > SFD_PER_THREAD_QUEUE -- reads will be from per-thread signal queue
>> > SFD_PEEK             -- don't dequeue signals
>
>>
>> A fuller description of the patch, including information that was in
>> previous versions of this patch would be helpful. Let me see if I can
>> summarize/fill out the API side of things, and ask a few questions
>> along the way (yes, I could answer some of the questions by checking
>> the code, but I want to know what the *intended* behavior is).
>>
>> The patch series adds a total of 4 flags to signalfd(). In addition to
>> those you list above, the other is
>
> In additional we can say, that this patch series adds three orthogonal,
> independent groups of flags.
> * SFD_RAW
> * SFD_PEEK
> * SFD_SHARED_QUEUE, SFD_PER_THREAD_QUEUE

Thanks. Nice summary.

>> SFD_RAW -- return raw siginfo structs when reading, rather than signalfd_siginfo
>>
>> The intention is that these flags be used in conjunction with pread(),
>> to peek at queued signals. The 'offset' argument is treated as a
>> position. Thus, for example, to non-destructively read all of the
>> per-thread signals in raw form from the per-thread queue, one would
>> write
>>
>
> siginfo_t *buf;
>
>> fd = signalfd(-1, SFD_PER_THREAD_QUEUE | SFD_RAW | SFD_PEEK)
>> for (j = 0; ; j++) {
>>     s = pread(fd, buf, ocunt, j)
>       s = pread(fd, buf + j, sizeof(siginfo_t), j);
>>     if (s <= 0) /* No more signals */
>>         break;
>> }
>
> This examples reads signals one by one
>
> or
>
>   siginfo_t *buf = NULL;
>   unsigned long buf_size = 0, nr = 0;
>   int ret;
>
>   while (1) {
>         bug_size += PAGE_SIZ;
>         buf = realloc(buf, buf_size);
>         if (buf == NULL)
>                 goto err;
>         ret = pread(fd, buf + nr, sizeof(siginfo_t), nr);
>         if (ret == -1)
>                 goto err;
>         nr += ret / sizeof(siginfo_t);
>         if (ret < PAGE_SIZE) /* No more signals */
>                 break;
>   }
>
> pread() can read more than one signal.

(Thanks for the reminder on that last point.)

> * The interface of signalfd could be a bit more predictable,
>   if we will treat pos as offset in bytes, not in elements.
>
>   pread(fd, buf, sizeof(siginfo_t), i * sizeof(siginfo_t)) -
>                reads a signal with a sequence number i in a queue.

Can you explain what you mean by "more predictable"? It's not clear to me.

>> Right?
>>
>> Now some questions. I don't require all of the following, but I'm
>> wanting to know what's possible, for documentation purposes.
>>
>> Q1: with this patch series, is it permissible to specify
>> SFD_PER_THREAD_QUEUE or SFD_SHARED_QUEUE without specifying either
>> SFD_PEEK or SFD_QUEUE? In other words, can one do traditional
>> signalfd_siginfo reads, but selecting from a specific queue.
>
> Yes, we can
>>
>> Q2: Is it possible to specify SFD_PEEK without SFD_RAW, so that one
>> can peek at siginfo structs rather than signalfd_siginfo structs?
>
> Yes, it is possible. read() and pread() returns signalfd_siginfo structs
> in this case.
>
>>
>> Q3: Is it possible to specify SFD_RAW without SFD_PEEK, so that one
>> can destructively read signalfd_siginfo structs? Can that be done
>> using any read interface (read(), pread(), etc.)?
> Yes, it is possible too. read() will return siginfo structs.

3 * yes is nice!

For which of the above 3 questions was the answer "No" with the
previous version of these patches (the version that specified queue
selection in pread())?


>> Q4: Is it possible to specify both SFD_PER_THREAD_QUEUE and
>> SFD_SHARED_QUEUE? In that case, in what order are signals read from
>> the two queues?
>>
>
> It is equal to the case, when none of these flags are not specified.
> And it is equal to what we had before this patches.
> signalfd() reads signals from a private queue, then from a shared queue.

So, the 'offset' argument of pread() is interpreted by considering the
per-thread and shared queue as one concatenated list, right?

If yes to the previous question, then from an API design point of view
that seems odd: it exposes an implementation detail. Is specifying
both SFD_PER_THREAD_QUEUE and SFD_SHARED_QUEUE usefule for
checkpoint/restore? I almost wonder if, when SFD_PEEK is specified, a
requirement should be enforced that SFD_PER_THREAD_QUEUE or
SFD_SHARED_QUEUE, but not both, must be specified. What do you think?

Thanks,

Michael

  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-23 12:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-01-22 10:15 [PATCH 0/3] signalfd: a kernel interface for dumping pending signals Andrey Vagin
2013-01-22 10:15 ` [PATCH 1/3] signal: add a helper for dequeuing signals from a specified queue Andrey Vagin
2013-02-05 12:00   ` [PATCH 1/3] signal: add a helper for dequeuing signals from a specified queue (v2) Andrey Vagin
2013-01-22 10:15 ` [PATCH 2/3] signalfd: add ability to choose a private or shared queue Andrey Vagin
2013-02-07 18:17   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-02-08  0:35     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-02-08 19:12       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-01-22 10:15 ` [PATCH 3/3] signalfd: add ability to read siginfo-s without dequeuing signals Andrey Vagin
2013-01-29 19:03   ` [PATCH 3/3] signalfd: add ability to read siginfo-s without dequeuing signals (v2) Andrey Vagin
     [not found]     ` <CAKgNAkgQA=zK=2ZnytPFU=DH6jr0sja0iy6K+j6c7unheLFniQ@mail.gmail.com>
2013-02-02  7:15       ` Andrey Wagin
2013-02-07 17:34     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-02-07 21:13       ` Andrey Wagin
2013-02-08  0:51         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-02-08 19:10         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-02-08 20:15           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-02-09 18:22             ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-02-09 22:53               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-02-10 10:04                 ` [CRIU] " Andrew Vagin
2013-02-11 16:47                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-02-10 10:07               ` Andrew Vagin
2013-02-11  9:29             ` Denys Vlasenko
2013-02-11 10:59               ` [CRIU] " Andrew Vagin
2013-02-11 14:46                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2013-02-11 14:53                   ` Pavel Emelyanov
2013-02-11 17:25                     ` Denys Vlasenko
2013-02-12 14:50                       ` Pavel Emelyanov
2013-01-23  4:19 ` [PATCH 0/3] signalfd: a kernel interface for dumping pending signals Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-01-23 11:03   ` Andrew Vagin
2013-01-23 12:11     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) [this message]
2013-01-23 13:03       ` Andrew Vagin
2013-02-07 18:20   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-02-08  0:36     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)

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