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From: Colin Cross <ccross@android.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: "Linux PM list" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
	"Oleg Nesterov" <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"Len Brown" <len.brown@intel.com>, "Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	"Jeff Layton" <jlayton@redhat.com>,
	"Mandeep Baines" <msb@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 03/10] freezer: add new freezable helpers using freezer_do_not_count()
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 19:41:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMbhsRTSCW3WOxTgw8btk2yWAucqNmyY-Sc+CHsHmZzf6ZsTNA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMbhsRSFjUvkXq66pYs_nYN5At7yB4sFM+cpxLgUF_Yns54J5A@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Colin Cross <ccross@android.com> wrote:
> This sounds the same as what ended up getting reverted in
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/3/4/221
> I can add the WARN_ON_ONCE to all my new calls, and leave them out of
> existing calls, but that seems a little odd, and will be redundant if
> the lockdep call in try_to_freeze goes back in in 3.11.  Do you still
> want it in the new apis?
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:
>> On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 04:55:05PM -0700, Tejun Heo wrote:
>>> So, the freezable interface can't be something that people can use
>>> casually.  It is something which should be carefully and strategically
>>> deployed where we *know* that lock dependency risks don't exist or at
>>> least are acceptable.  I'm a bit weary that this patch is expanding
>>> the interface a lot that they now look like the equivalents of normal
>>> schedule calls.  Not exactly sure what to do here but can we please at
>>> least have RED BOLD BLINKING comments which scream to people not to
>>> use these unless they know what they're doing?
>>
>> Maybe we should trigger WARN_ON_ONCE() if lockdep_depth() > 0 by
>> default and have ugly variants which can be used if the caller is sure
>> that it's okay possibly with list of locks which are held?
>>
>> --
>> tejun

(sorry for the top post)

I could also put the lockdep check that was reveted back into
try_to_freeze(), and add a freezable_schedule_unsafe() that skips it
for use in the known-unsafe users in nfs, with a big comment not to
add new users of it.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-03  2:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-02  1:34 [PATCH v2 00/10] optimize freezing tasks by reducing task wakeups Colin Cross
2013-05-02  1:34 ` [PATCH v2 01/10] freezer: shorten freezer sleep time using exponential backoff Colin Cross
2013-05-02 23:20   ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-02  1:35 ` [PATCH v2 02/10] freezer: skip waking up tasks with PF_FREEZER_SKIP set Colin Cross
2013-05-02 23:24   ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-03  9:24   ` Pavel Machek
2013-05-02  1:35 ` [PATCH v2 03/10] freezer: add new freezable helpers using freezer_do_not_count() Colin Cross
2013-05-02 23:55   ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-03  0:03     ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-03  2:16       ` Colin Cross
2013-05-03  2:41         ` Colin Cross [this message]
2013-05-03  4:09           ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-03  4:12             ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-03  4:17             ` Colin Cross
2013-05-03  4:20               ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-03 14:18             ` Alan Stern
2013-05-03 16:54               ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-02  1:35 ` [PATCH v2 04/10] binder: use freezable blocking calls Colin Cross
2013-05-02  1:35 ` [PATCH v2 05/10] epoll: use freezable blocking call Colin Cross
2013-05-02  1:35 ` [PATCH v2 06/10] select: " Colin Cross
2013-05-02  1:35 ` [PATCH v2 07/10] futex: " Colin Cross
2013-05-02 19:45   ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-05-03  3:12     ` Darren Hart
2013-06-25 21:15   ` [tip:core/locking] futex: Use " tip-bot for Colin Cross
2013-05-02  1:35 ` [PATCH v2 08/10] nanosleep: use " Colin Cross
2013-05-02 19:46   ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-05-02  1:35 ` [PATCH v2 09/10] sigtimedwait: " Colin Cross
2013-05-02  1:35 ` [PATCH v2 10/10] af_unix: use freezable blocking calls in read Colin Cross
2013-05-03  0:08   ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-04 19:19     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-05-04 20:39       ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-04 22:23         ` Colin Cross
2013-05-05 11:23           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-05-02 21:06 ` [PATCH v2 00/10] optimize freezing tasks by reducing task wakeups Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-05-03  0:10   ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-03 11:43     ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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