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From: Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>
To: Anton Vorontsov <anton.vorontsov@linaro.org>
Cc: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Leonid Moiseichuk <leonid.moiseichuk@nokia.com>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org, patches@linaro.org,
	kernel-team@android.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] vmevent: Implement special low-memory attribute
Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 10:14:33 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOJsxLH_7mMMe+2DvUxBW1i5nbUfkbfRE3iEhLQV9F_MM7=eiw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120504073810.GA25175@lizard>

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Anton Vorontsov
<anton.vorontsov@linaro.org> wrote:
> There are two problems.
>
> 1. Originally, the idea behind vmevent was that we should not expose all
>   these mm details in vmevent, because it ties ABI with Linux internal
>   memory representation;
>
> 2. If you have say a boolean '(A + B + C + ...) > X' attribute (which is
>   exactly what blended attributes are), you can't just set up independent
>   thresholds on A, B, C, ... and have the same effect.
>
>   (What we can do, though, is... introduce arithmetic operators in
>   vmevent. :-D But then, at the end, we'll probably implement in-kernel
>   forth-like stack machine, with vmevent_config array serving as a
>   sequence of op-codes. ;-)
>
> If we'll give up on "1." (Pekka, ping), then we need to solve "2."
> in a sane way: we'll have to add a 'NR_FILE_PAGES - NR_SHMEM -
> <todo-locked-file-pages>' attribute, and give it a name.

Well, no, we can't give up on (1) completely. That'd mean that
eventually we'd need to change the ABI and break userspace. The
difference between exposing internal details and reasonable
abstractions is by no means black and white.

AFAICT, RECLAIMABLE_CACHE_PAGES is a reasonable thing to support. Can
anyone come up with a reason why we couldn't do that in the future?

                        Pekka

  reply	other threads:[~2012-05-07  7:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-01 13:24 [PATCH 0/3] vmevent: Implement 'low memory' attribute Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-01 13:25 ` [PATCH 1/3] vmevent: Implement equal-to attribute state Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-01 13:25 ` [PATCH 2/3] vmevent: Pass attr argument to sampling functions Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-01 13:26 ` [PATCH 3/3] vmevent: Implement special low-memory attribute Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-03 10:33   ` Pekka Enberg
2012-05-04  4:26   ` Minchan Kim
2012-05-04  7:38     ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-07  7:14       ` Pekka Enberg [this message]
2012-05-07  8:26         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-07 12:15           ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-07 19:19             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-08  0:31               ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-08  5:20               ` Pekka Enberg
2012-05-08  5:42                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-08  5:53                   ` Pekka Enberg
2012-05-08  7:11                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-08  7:36                       ` Pekka Enberg
2012-05-08  7:50                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-08  8:03                           ` Pekka Enberg
2012-05-08  9:15                             ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-05-08  9:19                               ` Pekka Enberg
2012-05-08 10:38                                 ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-01 12:21                         ` [PATCH 0/5] Some vmevent fixes Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-01 12:24                           ` [PATCH 1/5] vmstat: Implement refresh_vm_stats() Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-05 14:30                             ` Christoph Lameter
2012-06-08  3:17                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-01 12:24                           ` [PATCH 2/5] vmevent: Convert from deferred timer to deferred work Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-08  3:25                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-08  6:58                               ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-08  7:03                                 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-08  8:07                                   ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-08  7:05                                 ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-08  7:10                                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-08  7:18                                     ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-08  7:23                                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-08  7:28                                         ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-08  7:33                                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-08  7:49                                             ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-08  7:58                                   ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-08  8:16                                     ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-08  8:41                                       ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-08  8:57                                         ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-08 10:35                                           ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-08 11:03                                             ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-08 12:13                                               ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-08 12:25                                                 ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-01 12:24                           ` [PATCH 3/5] vmevent: Refresh vmstats before sampling Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-05 14:36                             ` Christoph Lameter
2012-06-01 12:24                           ` [PATCH 4/5] vmevent: Hide meaningful names from the user-visible header Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-01 12:24                           ` [PATCH 5/5] vmevent: Rename one-shot mode to edge trigger mode Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-03 18:26                           ` [PATCH 0/5] Some vmevent fixes Pekka Enberg
2012-06-04  8:45                             ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-04  9:20                               ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-04 12:23                                 ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-04 11:38                               ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-04 12:17                                 ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-04 13:35                                   ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-05  7:53                                     ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-05  8:00                                       ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-05  8:01                                         ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-05  8:16                                           ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-05  8:27                                             ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-08  3:35                                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-04 20:05                                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-04 22:39                                   ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-08  3:45                                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-08  6:57                                       ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-05  7:47                                   ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-05  8:39                                     ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-07  2:41                                       ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-08  7:49                                         ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-08  8:43                                           ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-08  8:48                                             ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-08  9:12                                               ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-08  9:45                                                 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-08 10:42                                                   ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-08 11:14                                                     ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-11  4:50                                                       ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-05  7:52                                   ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-08  3:55                                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-08  6:54                                       ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-08  6:57                                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-08  6:59                                           ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-04 19:50                               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-08  8:32                       ` [PATCH 3/3] vmevent: Implement special low-memory attribute Minchan Kim
2012-05-08  9:27                         ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-05 14:40                       ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-08  6:58                   ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-08  7:16                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-08  8:13                       ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-08  8:21                         ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-03  8:10 ` [PATCH 0/3] vmevent: Implement 'low memory' attribute Pekka Enberg
2012-05-03  9:44   ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-03 10:54 ` Pekka Enberg

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