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From: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
To: Daniel Rosenberg <drosen@google.com>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH bpf-next v3 00/37] FUSE BPF: A Stacked Filesystem Extension for FUSE
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2023 08:33:38 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOQ4uxhpFrRVcviQ6bK1ZMtZDSMXRFuqY-d_+uQ1C0YMDtQpLA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230418014037.2412394-1-drosen@google.com>

On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 4:40 AM Daniel Rosenberg <drosen@google.com> wrote:
>
> These patches extend FUSE to be able to act as a stacked filesystem. This
> allows pure passthrough, where the fuse file system simply reflects the lower
> filesystem, and also allows optional pre and post filtering in BPF and/or the
> userspace daemon as needed. This can dramatically reduce or even eliminate
> transitions to and from userspace.
>
> In this patch set, I've reworked the bpf code to add a new struct_op type
> instead of a new program type, and used new kfuncs in place of new helpers.
> Additionally, it now uses dynptrs for variable sized buffers. The first three
> patches are repeats of a previous patch set which I have not yet adjusted for
> comments. I plan to adjust those and submit them separately with fixes, but
> wanted to have the current fuse-bpf code visible before then.
>
> Patches 4-7 mostly rearrange existing code to remove noise from the main patch.
> Patch 8 contains the main sections of fuse-bpf
> Patches 9-25 implementing most FUSE functions as operations on a lower
> filesystem. From patch 25, you can run fuse as a passthrough filesystem.
> Patches 26-32 provide bpf functionality so that you can alter fuse parameters
> via fuse_op programs.
> Patch 33 extends this to userspace, and patches 34-37 add some testing
> functionality.
>

That's a nice logical breakup for review.

I feel there is so much subtle code in those patches that the
only sane path forward is to review and merge them in phases.

Your patches adds this config:

+config FUSE_BPF
+       bool "Adds BPF to fuse"
+       depends on FUSE_FS
+       depends on BPF
+       help
+         Extends FUSE by adding BPF to prefilter calls and
potentially pass to a
+         backing file system

Since your patches add the PASSTHROUGH functionality before adding
BPF functionality, would it make sense to review and merge the PASSTHROUGH
functionality strictly before the BPF functionality?

Alternatively, you could aim to merge support for some PASSTHROUGH ops
then support for some BPF functionality and then slowly add ops to both.

Which brings me to my biggest concern.
I still do not see how these patches replace Allesio's
FUSE_DEV_IOC_PASSTHROUGH_OPEN patches.

Is the idea here that ioctl needs to be done at FUSE_LOOKUP
instead or in addition to the ioctl on FUSE_OPEN to setup the
read/write passthrough on the backing file?

I am missing things like the FILESYSTEM_MAX_STACK_DEPTH check that
was added as a result of review on Allesio's patches.

The reason I am concerned about this is that we are using the
FUSE_DEV_IOC_PASSTHROUGH_OPEN patches and I would like
to upstream their functionality sooner rather than later.
These patches have already been running in production for a while
I believe that they are running in Android as well and there is value
in upsteaming well tested patches.

The API does not need to stay FUSE_DEV_IOC_PASSTHROUGH_OPEN
it should be an API that is extendable to FUSE-BPF, but it would be
useful if the read/write passthrough could be the goal for first merge.

Does any of this make sense to you?
Can you draw a roadmap for merging FUSE-BPF that starts with
a first (hopefully short term) phase that adds the read/write passthrough
functionality?

I can help with review and testing of that part if needed.
I was planning to discuss this with you on LSFMM anyway,
but better start the discussion beforehand.

Thanks,
Amir.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-04-18  5:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-18  1:40 [RFC PATCH bpf-next v3 00/37] FUSE BPF: A Stacked Filesystem Extension for FUSE Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 01/37] bpf: verifier: Accept dynptr mem as mem in herlpers Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 02/37] bpf: Allow NULL buffers in bpf_dynptr_slice(_rw) Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 03/37] selftests/bpf: Test allowing NULL buffer in dynptr slice Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 04/37] fs: Generic function to convert iocb to rw flags Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 05/37] fuse-bpf: Update fuse side uapi Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 06/37] fuse-bpf: Add data structures for fuse-bpf Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 07/37] fuse-bpf: Prepare for fuse-bpf patch Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 08/37] fuse: Add fuse-bpf, a stacked fs extension for FUSE Daniel Rosenberg
2023-05-02  3:38   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-05-03  3:45     ` Amir Goldstein
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 09/37] fuse-bpf: Add ioctl interface for /dev/fuse Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 10/37] fuse-bpf: Don't support export_operations Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 11/37] fuse-bpf: Add support for access Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 12/37] fuse-bpf: Partially add mapping support Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 13/37] fuse-bpf: Add lseek support Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 14/37] fuse-bpf: Add support for fallocate Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 15/37] fuse-bpf: Support file/dir open/close Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 16/37] fuse-bpf: Support mknod/unlink/mkdir/rmdir Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 17/37] fuse-bpf: Add support for read/write iter Daniel Rosenberg
2023-05-16 20:21   ` Amir Goldstein
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 18/37] fuse-bpf: support readdir Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 19/37] fuse-bpf: Add support for sync operations Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 20/37] fuse-bpf: Add Rename support Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 21/37] fuse-bpf: Add attr support Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 22/37] fuse-bpf: Add support for FUSE_COPY_FILE_RANGE Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 23/37] fuse-bpf: Add xattr support Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 24/37] fuse-bpf: Add symlink/link support Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 25/37] fuse-bpf: allow mounting with no userspace daemon Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 26/37] bpf: Increase struct_op limits Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 27/37] fuse-bpf: Add fuse-bpf constants Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 28/37] WIP: bpf: Add fuse_ops struct_op programs Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-27  4:18   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-05-03  1:53     ` Daniel Rosenberg
2023-05-03 18:22       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 29/37] fuse-bpf: Export Functions Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 30/37] fuse: Provide registration functions for fuse-bpf Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 31/37] fuse-bpf: Set fuse_ops at mount or lookup time Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 32/37] fuse-bpf: Call bpf for pre/post filters Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 33/37] fuse-bpf: Add userspace " Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 34/37] WIP: fuse-bpf: add error_out Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 35/37] tools: Add FUSE, update bpf includes Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-27  4:24   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-28  0:48     ` Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 36/37] fuse-bpf: Add selftests Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  1:40 ` [RFC PATCH v3 37/37] fuse: Provide easy way to test fuse struct_op call Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-18  5:33 ` Amir Goldstein [this message]
2023-04-21  1:41   ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next v3 00/37] FUSE BPF: A Stacked Filesystem Extension for FUSE Daniel Rosenberg
2023-04-23 14:50     ` Amir Goldstein
2023-04-24 15:32 ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-05-02  0:07   ` Daniel Rosenberg
2023-05-17  2:50     ` Gao Xiang
2023-05-17  6:51       ` Amir Goldstein
2023-05-17  7:05         ` Gao Xiang
2023-05-17  7:19           ` Gao Xiang

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