From: Bodo Eggert <7eggert@gmx.de>
To: Albert Cahalan <acahalan@gmail.com>,
William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: JIT emulator needs
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:08:36 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1I1KWi-0000nV-8s@be1.lrz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 8xYTM-3So-13@gated-at.bofh.it
Albert Cahalan <acahalan@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/19/07, William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 02:35:22AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote:
>>> Right now, Linux isn't all that friendly to JIT emulators.
>>> Here are the problems and suggestions to improve the situation.
>>> There is an SE Linux execmem restriction that enforces W^X.
>>> Assuming you don't wish to just disable SE Linux, there are
>>> two ugly ways around the problem. You can mmap a file twice,
>>> or you can abuse SysV shared memory. The mmap method requires
>>> that you know of a filesystem mounted rw,exec where you can
>>> write a very large temporary file. This arbitrary filesystem,
>>> rather than swap space, will be the backing store. The SysV
>>> shared memory method requires an undocumented flag and is
>>> subject to some annoying size limits. Both methods create
>>> objects that will fail to be deleted if the program dies
>>> before marking the objects for deletion.
>>
>> If the policy forbidding self-modifying code lacks a method of
>> exempting programs such as JIT interpreters (which I doubt) then
>> it's a problem. I'm with Alan on this one.
>
> It does and it doesn't. There is not a reasonable way for a
> user to mark an app as needing full self-modifying ability.
> It's not like the executable stack, which can be set via the
> ELF note markings on the executable. (ELF note markings are
> ideal because they can not be used via a ret-to-libc attack)
>
> With admin privs, one can change SE Linux settings. Mark the
> executable, disable the protection system-wide, generate a
> completely new SE Linux policy, or just turn SE Linux off.
According to the documents I found about SELinux, you can also
- create a this-app-needs-selfmodification type
- allow users to change the context type of their files to this type
- configure a domain to allow self-modification
- configure the domain transition
Brave words from someone who did not yet successfully find the magic in
order to install the refpolicy on debilian (after finding their refpolicy-foo
to be incomplete and their refpolicy-src to not compile).
--
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It's one of those "evolutionary things" that allows them to stand
closer to the kitchen sink.
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Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2007-06-21 11:08 ` Bodo Eggert [this message]
2007-06-08 6:35 JIT emulator needs Albert Cahalan
2007-06-08 7:09 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-06-09 4:12 ` Albert Cahalan
2007-06-08 11:10 ` Alan Cox
2007-06-08 16:35 ` Nicholas Miell
2007-06-09 5:17 ` Albert Cahalan
2007-06-09 20:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-19 15:08 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-06-20 3:16 ` Albert Cahalan
2007-06-20 16:01 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-06-20 16:37 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-20 17:54 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-06-20 18:23 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-20 18:25 ` Albert Cahalan
2007-06-20 18:51 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-21 3:21 ` Albert Cahalan
2007-06-21 3:32 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-21 7:38 ` Albert Cahalan
2007-06-20 18:43 ` Albert Cahalan
2007-06-23 3:52 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-24 4:14 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-06-21 17:44 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-22 5:56 ` Albert Cahalan
2007-06-22 13:43 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-22 14:32 ` Albert Cahalan
2007-06-22 14:42 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-23 2:30 ` Albert Cahalan
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