* RedHat 9 and 2.5.x support @ 2003-04-16 16:54 Antonio Vargas 2003-04-16 16:49 ` Robert Love ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Antonio Vargas @ 2003-04-16 16:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-kernel I've just installed RedHat 9 on my desktop machine and I'd like if it will support running under 2.5.65+ instead of his usual 2.4.19+. I've got a separate machine for mail, compiling and whatever else I need for real work. I just need to assure I can run my 2.5 kernel on this distro and use it for desktop. Do I need some special packages, manual installs, etc...??? I can recall there are modutils issues, and would not mind compiling/installing my own, but are there any other issues? Greets, Antonio. ps. cowahead! ;) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: RedHat 9 and 2.5.x support 2003-04-16 16:54 RedHat 9 and 2.5.x support Antonio Vargas @ 2003-04-16 16:49 ` Robert Love 2003-04-16 18:54 ` jjs 2003-04-17 14:23 ` jlnance 2003-04-16 16:56 ` Valdis.Kletnieks ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Robert Love @ 2003-04-16 16:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Antonio Vargas; +Cc: linux-kernel On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 12:54, Antonio Vargas wrote: > I've just installed RedHat 9 on my desktop machine and I'd like > if it will support running under 2.5.65+ instead of his usual > 2.4.19+. Other than modutils(*) there are no issues with RH9 and 2.5. I am running RH9 with 2.5 on my daily workstation. Even NPTL, sysenter, and all the other goodies work flawlessly. It is quite nice. (*) modutils may even work if RH ships the compatibility layer and the new module tools. I have no idea, I do not use modules. Robert Love ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: RedHat 9 and 2.5.x support 2003-04-16 16:49 ` Robert Love @ 2003-04-16 18:54 ` jjs 2003-04-17 14:23 ` jlnance 1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: jjs @ 2003-04-16 18:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux kernel Robert Love wrote: >On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 12:54, Antonio Vargas wrote: > > > >>I've just installed RedHat 9 on my desktop machine and I'd like >>if it will support running under 2.5.65+ instead of his usual >>2.4.19+. >> >> > >Other than modutils(*) there are no issues with RH9 and 2.5. I am >running RH9 with 2.5 on my daily workstation. > >Even NPTL, sysenter, and all the other goodies work flawlessly. It is >quite nice. > Bestaetigt! RH9 + 2.5.67-mm is quite nice here - apache, squid, postfix, iptables, openvpn, bind - and a very snappy X11 desktop - The only extra requirement is rusty's module init-tools. Joe ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: RedHat 9 and 2.5.x support 2003-04-16 16:49 ` Robert Love 2003-04-16 18:54 ` jjs @ 2003-04-17 14:23 ` jlnance 2003-04-17 14:47 ` Pau Aliagas 2003-04-17 14:48 ` John Bradford 1 sibling, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: jlnance @ 2003-04-17 14:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Robert Love; +Cc: linux-kernel On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 12:49:02PM -0400, Robert Love wrote: > On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 12:54, Antonio Vargas wrote: > > > I've just installed RedHat 9 on my desktop machine and I'd like > > if it will support running under 2.5.65+ instead of his usual > > 2.4.19+. > > Other than modutils(*) there are no issues with RH9 and 2.5. I am > running RH9 with 2.5 on my daily workstation. I have a related question. While I am confident I can get RH9 to work with a 2.5 kernel, I would like to do this in such a way that booting into a 2.4 kernel still works, and installing updated 2.4 kernel RPMs from Red Hat also continues to work. I would also like to avoid making any changes that prevent me from upgrading to the next RH release. I assume I can accomplish this by only making changes that involve installing rpms rather than installing programs directly. I am not confident I can accomplish all this, having failed in my attempt with RH8 :-) Can anyone comment on the feasibility of this? Thanks, Jim ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: RedHat 9 and 2.5.x support 2003-04-17 14:23 ` jlnance @ 2003-04-17 14:47 ` Pau Aliagas 2003-04-17 14:48 ` John Bradford 1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Pau Aliagas @ 2003-04-17 14:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: lkml, jlnance On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 jlnance@unity.ncsu.edu wrote: > I have a related question. While I am confident I can get RH9 to work > with a 2.5 kernel, I would like to do this in such a way that booting > into a 2.4 kernel still works, and installing updated 2.4 kernel RPMs > from Red Hat also continues to work. I would also like to avoid making > any changes that prevent me from upgrading to the next RH release. I > assume I can accomplish this by only making changes that involve installing > rpms rather than installing programs directly. I am not confident I can > accomplish all this, having failed in my attempt with RH8 :-) * ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rusty/modutils-2.4.21-18.src.rpm * rpmbuild --rebuild modutils-2.4.21-18.src.rpm * rpm -Uvh modutils-2.4.21-18.i386.rpm * add the new kernel to /boot/grub/grub.conf # vi /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit :360,360s/ksyms/modules/g :wq You are done. Pau ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: RedHat 9 and 2.5.x support 2003-04-17 14:23 ` jlnance 2003-04-17 14:47 ` Pau Aliagas @ 2003-04-17 14:48 ` John Bradford 2003-04-17 14:54 ` John Jasen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: John Bradford @ 2003-04-17 14:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: jlnance; +Cc: Robert Love, linux-kernel > > > I've just installed RedHat 9 on my desktop machine and I'd like > > > if it will support running under 2.5.65+ instead of his usual > > > 2.4.19+. > > > > Other than modutils(*) there are no issues with RH9 and 2.5. I am > > running RH9 with 2.5 on my daily workstation. > > I have a related question. While I am confident I can get RH9 to work > with a 2.5 kernel, I would like to do this in such a way that booting > into a 2.4 kernel still works, and installing updated 2.4 kernel RPMs > from Red Hat also continues to work. I would also like to avoid making > any changes that prevent me from upgrading to the next RH release. I > assume I can accomplish this by only making changes that involve installing > rpms rather than installing programs directly. I am not confident I can > accomplish all this, having failed in my attempt with RH8 :-) > > Can anyone comment on the feasibility of this? If you don't use modules at all, and simply compile everything in, you can ignore the modutils issue completely. Other than that, you should have no problems. John. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: RedHat 9 and 2.5.x support 2003-04-17 14:48 ` John Bradford @ 2003-04-17 14:54 ` John Jasen 2003-04-17 15:02 ` John Bradford 2003-04-18 14:31 ` Bill Davidsen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: John Jasen @ 2003-04-17 14:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: John Bradford; +Cc: jlnance, Robert Love, linux-kernel On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, John Bradford wrote: > If you don't use modules at all, and simply compile everything in, you > can ignore the modutils issue completely. Other than that, you should > have no problems. Isn't modules-init backward compatible, or did I read wrong somewhere? -- -- John E. Jasen (jjasen@realityfailure.org) -- User Error #2361: Please insert coffee and try again. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: RedHat 9 and 2.5.x support 2003-04-17 14:54 ` John Jasen @ 2003-04-17 15:02 ` John Bradford 2003-04-18 14:31 ` Bill Davidsen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: John Bradford @ 2003-04-17 15:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: John Jasen; +Cc: John Bradford, jlnance, Robert Love, linux-kernel > > If you don't use modules at all, and simply compile everything in, you > > can ignore the modutils issue completely. Other than that, you should > > have no problems. > > Isn't modules-init backward compatible, or did I read wrong somewhere? Yes, but I was assuming that you'd want to leave the RedHat module utilities RPM as it was, to make future upgrades easier. I.E. you can use 2.5.X without hitting the modutils issue at all, is what I meant. John. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: RedHat 9 and 2.5.x support 2003-04-17 14:54 ` John Jasen 2003-04-17 15:02 ` John Bradford @ 2003-04-18 14:31 ` Bill Davidsen 2003-04-18 15:45 ` Paul Clements 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Bill Davidsen @ 2003-04-18 14:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: John Jasen; +Cc: John Bradford, jlnance, Robert Love, linux-kernel On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, John Jasen wrote: > On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, John Bradford wrote: > > > If you don't use modules at all, and simply compile everything in, you > > can ignore the modutils issue completely. Other than that, you should > > have no problems. > > Isn't modules-init backward compatible, or did I read wrong somewhere? It can be installed such that it calls the old versions, renamed to xxx-old, if used from a 2.4 system. However, I don't think Redhat did that type install for 9.0, so it will probably not work after an upgrade. The last I looked modprobe.conf was a seriously deficient subset of modules.conf, but I haven't d/l the latest version, so some of the omissions may have been addressed. The major feature missing is (or was) the lack of probe capability (and probeall). You can run a dual system, but you do have to work at it a little bit. -- bill davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com> CTO, TMR Associates, Inc Doing interesting things with little computers since 1979. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: RedHat 9 and 2.5.x support 2003-04-18 14:31 ` Bill Davidsen @ 2003-04-18 15:45 ` Paul Clements 2003-04-18 16:32 ` Paul Clements 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Paul Clements @ 2003-04-18 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bill Davidsen Cc: John Jasen, John Bradford, jlnance, Robert Love, linux-kernel On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Bill Davidsen wrote: > The last I looked modprobe.conf was a seriously deficient subset of > modules.conf, but I haven't d/l the latest version, so some of the > omissions may have been addressed. The major feature missing is (or was) > the lack of probe capability (and probeall). I think you can achieve the same outcome with a carefully crafted "install" command in modprobe.conf (granted it will be much more verbose than the equivalent "probe"). Try "man modprobe.conf" after installing Rusty's new modutils... -- Paul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: RedHat 9 and 2.5.x support 2003-04-18 15:45 ` Paul Clements @ 2003-04-18 16:32 ` Paul Clements 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Paul Clements @ 2003-04-18 16:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: davidsen; +Cc: linux-kernel On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Paul Clements wrote: > On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Bill Davidsen wrote: > > The last I looked modprobe.conf was a seriously deficient subset of > > modules.conf, but I haven't d/l the latest version, so some of the > > omissions may have been addressed. The major feature missing is (or was) > > the lack of probe capability (and probeall). > > I think you can achieve the same outcome with a carefully crafted "install" > command in modprobe.conf (granted it will be much more verbose than the > equivalent "probe"). Actually, it's even easier than that...Rusty's included a script: /sbin/generate-modprobe.conf in the new modutils package that will convert modules.conf to modprobe.conf automagically... -- Paul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: RedHat 9 and 2.5.x support 2003-04-16 16:54 RedHat 9 and 2.5.x support Antonio Vargas 2003-04-16 16:49 ` Robert Love @ 2003-04-16 16:56 ` Valdis.Kletnieks 2003-04-16 18:32 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana 2003-04-16 18:53 ` Arador 3 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Valdis.Kletnieks @ 2003-04-16 16:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Antonio Vargas; +Cc: linux-kernel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1103 bytes --] On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:54:08 +0200, Antonio Vargas <wind@cocodriloo.com> said: > > I've just installed RedHat 9 on my desktop machine and I'd like > if it will support running under 2.5.65+ instead of his usual > 2.4.19+. I'm running 2.5.67 on an otherwise mostly-RH9, and it works fine modulo the usual issues with bleeding-edge kernels. I've only hit two issues that are at all redhat specific: 1) Get Rusty's module tools (but you knew that). If you install them right, they'll DTRT if you boot a 2.4 kernel too (keep the RH kernel around just in case. ;) 2) You'll need this work-around for modules, probably: *** etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit.orig 2003-04-16 12:52:22.780531536 -0400 --- etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit 2003-04-09 21:40:36.000000000 -0400 *************** *** 360,365 **** --- 360,366 ---- if ! LC_ALL=C grep -iq nomodules /proc/cmdline 2>/dev/null && [ -f /proc/ksyms ]; then USEMODULES=y fi + USEMODULES=y # Our modutils don't support it anymore, so we might as well remove # the preferred link. (or some other similar work-around for /proc/ksyms not being in 2.5 kernels) [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 226 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: RedHat 9 and 2.5.x support 2003-04-16 16:54 RedHat 9 and 2.5.x support Antonio Vargas 2003-04-16 16:49 ` Robert Love 2003-04-16 16:56 ` Valdis.Kletnieks @ 2003-04-16 18:32 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana 2003-04-17 15:03 ` Antonio Vargas 2003-04-16 18:53 ` Arador 3 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Felipe Alfaro Solana @ 2003-04-16 18:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Antonio Vargas; +Cc: LKML On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 18:54, Antonio Vargas wrote: > I've just installed RedHat 9 on my desktop machine and I'd like > if it will support running under 2.5.65+ instead of his usual > 2.4.19+. I'm running on RHL 9 with 2.5.67-mm3 (plus Russell King PCMCIA/CardBus patches) and updated modutils + procutils + nfs-utils. It works flawlessly, although I needed some tweaking for "/etc/init.d/rc.sysinit" which insists in setting the module and hotplug helper binaries to "/sbin/true" due to missing "/proc/ksyms". -- Please AVOID sending me WORD, EXCEL or POWERPOINT attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Linux Registered User #287198 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: RedHat 9 and 2.5.x support 2003-04-16 18:32 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana @ 2003-04-17 15:03 ` Antonio Vargas 2003-04-17 16:05 ` Robert Love 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Antonio Vargas @ 2003-04-17 15:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Felipe Alfaro Solana; +Cc: Antonio Vargas, LKML On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 08:32:34PM +0200, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote: > On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 18:54, Antonio Vargas wrote: > > I've just installed RedHat 9 on my desktop machine and I'd like > > if it will support running under 2.5.65+ instead of his usual > > 2.4.19+. > > I'm running on RHL 9 with 2.5.67-mm3 (plus Russell King PCMCIA/CardBus > patches) and updated modutils + procutils + nfs-utils. It works > flawlessly, although I needed some tweaking for "/etc/init.d/rc.sysinit" > which insists in setting the module and hotplug helper binaries to > "/sbin/true" due to missing "/proc/ksyms". I managed to avoid some of these things: 1. I compiled everything in-kernel and disabled modules, thus no modules related problems (*) 2. RH9 procutils _seems_ to work fine: I can do "vmstat 1" whereas the older gentoo image from summer I used to test boot 2.5 didn't. (*) RH9 detected my elitegroup motherboard integrated sound and unsed the i810 module, but now with everything in it seems I can't have sound any ideas? Hmm, yes I _did_ compile i810 support in-kernel ;) I'm also having another problem: gnome-terminal is freaking out when i run "make menuconfig" on it, very strange.... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: RedHat 9 and 2.5.x support 2003-04-17 15:03 ` Antonio Vargas @ 2003-04-17 16:05 ` Robert Love 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Robert Love @ 2003-04-17 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Antonio Vargas; +Cc: Felipe Alfaro Solana, LKML On Thu, 2003-04-17 at 11:03, Antonio Vargas wrote: > 2. RH9 procutils _seems_ to work fine: I can do "vmstat 1" whereas the older > gentoo image from summer I used to test boot 2.5 didn't. It does work fine. The Red Hat 9 procps is very recent, even with some nice NPTL enhancements. If you want to try a newer release, you can get a CVS snapshot from http://tech9.net/rml/procps. But the RH9 version should be fine in 2.5. Robert Love ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: RedHat 9 and 2.5.x support 2003-04-16 16:54 RedHat 9 and 2.5.x support Antonio Vargas ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2003-04-16 18:32 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana @ 2003-04-16 18:53 ` Arador 3 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Arador @ 2003-04-16 18:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Antonio Vargas; +Cc: linux-kernel On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:54:08 +0200 Antonio Vargas <wind@cocodriloo.com> wrote: > compiling/installing my own, but are there any other issues? http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/post-halloween-2.5.txt is a pretty good guide for starting to use 2.5 . Diego Calleja ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
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