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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
To: Steven Dake <sdake@mvista.com>
Cc: Werner Almesberger <wa@almesberger.net>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] udev enhancements to use kernel event queue
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:05:42 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0306191700010.1987-100000@home.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3EF24A70.4010608@mvista.com>


On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Steven Dake wrote:
>
> A serialization methodology can be built on /sbin/hotplug, but it has 
> all of the problems that Linus previously talked about for a kernel 
> event queue.  The difference is that the problem is moved to userland.

Having event ordering is a trivial matter, and I'm not against adding a
sequence number to /sbin/hotplug as part of the environment, for example. 

What I worry about is the situation where one big deamon handles 
everything, which makes it impossible to "hook in" to the thing without 
understanding the one big thing.

The thing that makes /sbin/hotplug so wonderful is that it's stateless,
and if you want to hook into it, it's absolutely _trivial_.  Look at the 
default script there in redhat-9 for example, and it's obvious how to hook 
up to certain events etc.

And why do people care about serialization anyway? Really? The whole 
notion is ludicrous. /sbin/hotplug _shouldn't_ be serialized. 
Serialization is bad. You should look at whatever problems you have with 
it now, and ask yourself whether maybe it should be done some other way 
entirely.

		Linus


  reply	other threads:[~2003-06-19 23:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-06-12 19:10 [PATCH] udev enhancements to use kernel event queue Steven Dake
2003-06-12 21:47 ` Patrick Mochel
2003-06-13 16:31   ` Steven Dake
2003-06-13 17:06     ` Patrick Mochel
2003-06-12 21:47 ` Greg KH
2003-06-12 22:03   ` Andrew Morton
2003-06-12 22:50     ` Greg KH
2003-06-12 22:51       ` Andrew Morton
2003-06-12 23:02         ` Greg KH
2003-06-12 23:09           ` Greg KH
2003-06-12 23:14             ` Patrick Mochel
2003-06-12 23:16             ` Robert Love
2003-06-12 23:25               ` Greg KH
2003-06-13 20:01                 ` Oliver Neukum
2003-06-18 22:59                   ` Greg KH
2003-06-19  0:12                     ` Kevin P. Fleming
2003-06-19  0:20                       ` Greg KH
2003-06-19  0:42                         ` Kevin P. Fleming
2003-06-19  0:51                           ` Greg KH
2003-06-19  0:25                       ` Andrew Morton
2003-06-19  6:27                       ` Oliver Neukum
2003-06-12 23:25               ` Patrick Mochel
2003-06-12 23:29                 ` Robert Love
2003-06-12 23:32                   ` Greg KH
2003-06-12 23:34                   ` Patrick Mochel
2003-06-12 23:40                     ` Paul Mackerras
2003-06-12 23:50                       ` Robert Love
2003-06-13 12:44                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-06-13 12:54                           ` Olivier Galibert
2003-06-12 23:52                       ` Patrick Mochel
2003-06-13  8:41                       ` Alan Cox
2003-06-13 11:00                         ` Paul Mackerras
2003-06-13 11:07                           ` Herbert Xu
2003-06-13 13:31                           ` Alan Cox
2003-06-13 19:57                             ` Joe Korty
2003-06-13 21:10                               ` Alan Cox
2003-06-13 11:17                       ` David Schwartz
2003-06-13 15:44                         ` Davide Libenzi
2003-06-12 23:42                     ` Robert Love
2003-06-12 23:45                     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-06-12 23:05       ` Robert Love
2003-06-19 19:51       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-26 12:17         ` Tommi Virtanen
2003-06-26 14:35           ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-13  8:40     ` Alan Cox
2003-06-13  9:14       ` Olivier Galibert
2003-06-19 20:53         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-13 16:05       ` Steven Dake
2003-06-13 16:32       ` Greg KH
2003-06-13 15:51   ` Steven Dake
2003-06-13 16:41     ` Patrick Mochel
2003-06-13 16:42     ` Greg KH
2003-06-13 17:17       ` Chris Friesen
2003-06-12 22:27 ` Oliver Neukum
2003-06-13 16:03   ` Steven Dake
2003-06-13 16:50     ` Patrick Mochel
2003-06-13 17:10       ` Steven Dake
2003-06-13 18:26         ` Greg KH
2003-06-13 19:02         ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-06-13 17:32     ` Oliver Neukum
2003-06-13 18:23     ` Greg KH
2003-06-13 18:24     ` Greg KH
2003-06-13  7:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-06-13 18:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-06-19 23:32   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-19 23:42     ` Steven Dake
2003-06-20  0:05       ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2003-06-20  0:10         ` Steven Dake
2003-06-20  0:43           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-06-20  2:26             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-20 17:03             ` Steven Dake
2003-06-20 17:18               ` Patrick Mochel
2003-06-14  6:36 John Bradford

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