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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Josh Don <joshdon@google.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] sched: async unthrottling for cfs bandwidth
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 14:04:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y1/HzzA1FIawYM11@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221026224449.214839-1-joshdon@google.com>

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 03:44:49PM -0700, Josh Don wrote:
> CFS bandwidth currently distributes new runtime and unthrottles cfs_rq's
> inline in an hrtimer callback. Runtime distribution is a per-cpu
> operation, and unthrottling is a per-cgroup operation, since a tg walk
> is required. On machines with a large number of cpus and large cgroup
> hierarchies, this cpus*cgroups work can be too much to do in a single
> hrtimer callback: since IRQ are disabled, hard lockups may easily occur.
> Specifically, we've found this scalability issue on configurations with
> 256 cpus, O(1000) cgroups in the hierarchy being throttled, and high
> memory bandwidth usage.
> 
> To fix this, we can instead unthrottle cfs_rq's asynchronously via a
> CSD. Each cpu is responsible for unthrottling itself, thus sharding the
> total work more fairly across the system, and avoiding hard lockups.

So, TJ has been complaining about us throttling in kernel-space, causing
grief when we also happen to hold a mutex or some other resource and has
been prodding us to only throttle at the return-to-user boundary.

Would this be an opportune moment to do this? That is, what if we
replace this CSD with a task_work that's ran on the return-to-user path
instead?

  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-31 13:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-26 22:44 [PATCH v2] sched: async unthrottling for cfs bandwidth Josh Don
2022-10-31 13:04 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2022-10-31 21:22   ` Josh Don
2022-10-31 21:50     ` Tejun Heo
2022-10-31 23:15       ` Josh Don
2022-10-31 23:53         ` Tejun Heo
2022-11-01  1:01           ` Josh Don
2022-11-01  1:45             ` Tejun Heo
2022-11-01 19:11               ` Josh Don
2022-11-01 19:15                 ` Tejun Heo
2022-11-01 20:56                   ` Josh Don
2022-11-01 21:49                     ` Tejun Heo
2022-11-01 21:59                       ` Josh Don
2022-11-01 22:38                         ` Tejun Heo
2022-11-02 17:10                           ` Michal Koutný
2022-11-02 17:18                             ` Tejun Heo
2022-10-31 21:56   ` Benjamin Segall
2022-11-02  8:40     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-11  0:14       ` Josh Don
2022-11-02 16:59 ` Michal Koutný
2022-11-03  0:10   ` Josh Don
2022-11-03 10:11     ` Michal Koutný
2022-11-16  3:01   ` Josh Don
2022-11-16  9:57     ` Michal Koutný
2022-11-16 21:45       ` Josh Don

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