From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@do-not-panic.com>,
Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.net>,
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Praveen Krishnamoorthy <pravee
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 3/6] kthread: warn on kill signal if not OOM
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 06:42:40 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140909214240.GA3154@mtj.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1410291346.13298.16.camel@jarvis.lan>
Hey, James.
On Tue, Sep 09, 2014 at 12:35:46PM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> I don't have very strong views on this one. However, I've got to say
> from a systems point of view that if the desire is to flag when the
> module is having problems, probing and initializing synchronously in a
> thread spawned by init which the init process can watchdog and thus can
> flash up warning messages seems to be more straightforwards than an
> elaborate asynchronous mechanism with completion signalling which
> achieves the same thing in a more complicated (and thus bug prone)
> fashion.
We no longer report back error on probe failure on module load. It
used to make sense to indicate error for module load on probe failure
when the hardware was a lot simpler and drivers did their own device
enumeration. With the current bus / device setup, it doesn't make any
sense and driver core silently suppresses all probe failures. There's
nothing the probing thread can monitor anymore.
In that sense, we already separated out device probing from module
loading simply because the hardware reality mandated it and we have
dynamic mechanisms to listen for device probes exactly for the same
reason, so I think it makes sense to separate out the waiting too, at
least in the long term. In a modern dynamic setup, the waits are
essentially arbitrary and doesn't buy us anything.
Thanks.
--
tejun
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Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <1409899047-13045-1-git-send-email-mcgrof@do-not-panic.com>
2014-09-05 6:37 ` [RFC v2 2/6] driver-core: add driver async_probe support Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-05 11:24 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-09-05 17:25 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-05 22:10 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-10-20 23:43 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-05 6:37 ` [RFC v2 3/6] kthread: warn on kill signal if not OOM Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-05 7:19 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-05 7:47 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-05 9:14 ` Mike Galbraith
2014-09-05 14:12 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-05 16:44 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-09-05 17:49 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-05 18:10 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-09-05 22:29 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-05 22:31 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-05 22:49 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-09-05 22:55 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-05 23:22 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-09-05 23:32 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-05 22:45 ` Arjan van de Ven
2014-09-05 22:52 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-09-05 22:57 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-05 23:05 ` Arjan van de Ven
2014-09-05 23:18 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-09-05 18:12 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-05 18:29 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-09-05 22:40 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-09 1:04 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-09 1:10 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-09 1:13 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-09 1:22 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-09 1:26 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-09 1:29 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-09 1:38 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-09 1:47 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-09 2:28 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-09 2:39 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-09 2:57 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-09 3:03 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-09 3:19 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-09 3:25 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-09 23:03 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-12 20:14 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-22 16:36 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-10 5:13 ` Tom Gundersen
2014-09-09 5:38 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-09 19:16 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-09 19:35 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-09 20:45 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-10 6:46 ` Tom Gundersen
2014-09-10 10:07 ` [systemd-devel] " Ceriel Jacobs
2014-09-10 13:31 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-10 21:10 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-11 5:42 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2014-09-11 21:43 ` Tom Gundersen
2014-09-11 22:26 ` [systemd-devel] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-12 5:48 ` Tom Gundersen
2014-09-12 20:09 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-10-10 21:54 ` Anatol Pomozov
2014-10-10 22:45 ` Tom Gundersen
2014-10-15 19:41 ` Anatol Pomozov
2014-10-15 19:46 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2014-09-09 21:42 ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2014-09-09 22:26 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-09 22:41 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-09 22:46 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-09 22:52 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-09 23:01 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-09-11 19:59 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-11 20:23 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-09-11 20:42 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-11 20:53 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-09-11 21:08 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-22 19:49 ` Pavel Machek
2014-09-22 20:23 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-09-30 21:06 ` Pavel Machek
2014-09-30 21:34 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-09-09 22:00 ` Jiri Kosina
2014-09-05 10:59 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-09-05 17:35 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-05 6:37 ` [RFC v2 4/6] cxgb4: use async probe Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-05 6:37 ` [RFC v2 5/6] mptsas: " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-09-05 7:16 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-05 7:23 ` Hannes Reinecke
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