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From: Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
To: Doug Berger <opendmb@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@gmail.com>,
	bcm-kernel-feedback-list@broadcom.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 1/4] net: ethernet: validate pause autoneg setting
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 19:55:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200512185503.GD1551@shell.armlinux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ae63b295-b6e3-6c34-c69d-9e3e33bf7119@gmail.com>

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:31:39AM -0700, Doug Berger wrote:
> This was intended as a fix, but I thought it would be better to keep it
> as part of this set for context and since net-next is currently open.
> 
> The context is trying to improve the phylib support for offloading
> ethtool pause configuration and this is something that could be checked
> in a single location rather than by individual drivers.
> 
> I included it here to get feedback about its appropriateness as a common
> behavior. I should have been more explicit about that.
> 
> Personally, I'm actually not that fond of this change since it can
> easily be a source of confusion with the ethtool interface because the
> link autonegotiation and the pause autonegotiation are controlled by
> different commands.
> 
> Since the ethtool -A command performs a read/modify/write of pause
> parameters, you can get strange results like these:
> # ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex full autoneg off
> # ethtool -A eth0 tx off
> Cannot set device pause parameters: Invalid argument
> #
> Because, the get read pause autoneg as enabled and only the tx_pause
> member of the structure was updated.

This looks like the same argument I've been having with Heiner over
the EEE interface, except there's a difference here.

# ethtool -A eth0 autoneg on
# ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off speed 100 duplex full

After those two commands, what is the state of pause mode?  The answer
is, it's disabled.

# ethtool -A eth0 autoneg off rx on tx on

is perfectly acceptable, as we are forcing pause modes at the local
end of the link.

# ethtool -A eth0 autoneg on

Now, the question is whether that should be allowed or not - but this
is merely restoring the "pause" settings that were in effect prior
to the previous command.  It does not enable pause negotiation,
because autoneg as a whole is disabled, but it _allows_ pause
negotiation to occur when autoneg is enabled at some point in the
future.

Also, allowing "ethtool -A eth0 autoneg on" when "ethtool -s eth0
autoneg off" means you can configure the negotiation parameters
_before_ triggering a negotiation cycle on the link.  In other words,
it would avoid:

# ethtool -s eth0 autoneg on
# # Link renegotiates
# ethtool -A eth0 autoneg on
# # Link renegotiates a second time

and it also means that if stuff has already been scripted to avoid
this, nothing breaks.

If we start rejecting ethtool -A because autoneg is disabled, then
things get difficult to configure - we would need ethtool documentation
to state that autoneg must be enabled before configuration of pause
and EEE can be done.  IMHO, that hurts usability, and adds confusion.

-- 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-05-12 18:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-12  0:24 [PATCH net-next 0/4] Extend phylib implementation of pause support Doug Berger
2020-05-12  0:24 ` [PATCH net-next 1/4] net: ethernet: validate pause autoneg setting Doug Berger
2020-05-12  0:47   ` Andrew Lunn
2020-05-12 18:31     ` Doug Berger
2020-05-12 18:37       ` Andrew Lunn
2020-05-12 18:55       ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin [this message]
2020-05-13  3:48         ` Doug Berger
2020-05-13  5:34           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-05-13  9:20             ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-05-13 13:49               ` Andrew Lunn
2020-05-13 14:59                 ` Michal Kubecek
2020-05-13 17:14                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-05-13 22:09                 ` Doug Berger
2020-05-13 21:31               ` Doug Berger
2020-05-13 21:27             ` Doug Berger
2020-05-12 19:08       ` Michal Kubecek
2020-05-13  2:37         ` Doug Berger
2020-05-12  3:16   ` Florian Fainelli
2020-05-12  0:24 ` [PATCH net-next 2/4] net: add autoneg parameter to linkmode_set_pause Doug Berger
2020-05-12  0:24 ` [PATCH net-next 3/4] net: ethernet: introduce phy_set_pause Doug Berger
2020-05-12  0:51   ` Andrew Lunn
2020-05-12 18:46     ` Doug Berger
2020-05-12  3:22   ` Florian Fainelli
2020-05-13  9:42   ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-05-13 21:39     ` Doug Berger
2020-05-12  0:24 ` [PATCH net-next 4/4] net: bcmgenet: add support for ethtool flow control Doug Berger
2020-05-12  3:24   ` Florian Fainelli
2020-05-13  9:52   ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-05-13 22:00     ` Doug Berger

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