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From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
To: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
Cc: David Ahern <dsahern@gmail.com>, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net,
	jacob.e.keller@intel.com, roopa@nvidia.com, mlxsw@nvidia.com,
	vadimp@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [patch net-next RFC 00/10] introduce line card support for modular switch
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 08:57:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210127075753.GP3565223@nanopsycho.orion> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YBAfeESYudCENZ2e@lunn.ch>

Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 02:56:08PM CET, andrew@lunn.ch wrote:
>On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 12:33:26PM +0100, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>> Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 03:13:12PM CET, andrew@lunn.ch wrote:
>> >> I don't see any way. The userspace is the one who can get the info, from
>> >> the i2c driver. The mlxsw driver has no means to get that info itself.
>> >
>> >Hi Jiri
>> >
>> >Please can you tell us more about this i2c driver. Do you have any
>> >architecture pictures?
>> 
>> Quoting Vadim Pasternak:
>> "
>> Not upstreamed yet.
>> It will be mlxreg-lc driver for line card in drivers/platfrom/mellanox and
>> additional mlxreg-pm for line card powering on/off, setting enable/disable
>> and handling power off upon thermal shutdown event.
>> "
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> >It is not unknown for one driver to embed another driver inside it. So
>> >the i2c driver could be inside the mlxsw. It is also possible to link
>> >drivers together, the mlxsw could go find the i2c driver and make use
>> >of its services.
>> 
>> Okay. Do you have examples? How could the kernel figure out the relation
>> of the instances?
>
>Hi Jiri
>
>One driver, embedded into another? You actually submitted an example:
>
>commit 6882b0aee180f2797b8803bdf699aa45c2e5f2d6
>Author: Vadim Pasternak <vadimp@mellanox.com>
>Date:   Wed Nov 16 15:20:44 2016 +0100
>
>    mlxsw: Introduce support for I2C bus
>    
>    Add I2C bus implementation for Mellanox Technologies Switch ASICs.
>    This includes command interface implementation using input / out mailboxes,
>    whose location is retrieved from the firmware during probe time.
>    
>    Signed-off-by: Vadim Pasternak <vadimp@mellanox.com>
>    Reviewed-by: Ido Schimmel <idosch@mellanox.com>
>    Signed-off-by: Jiri Pirko <jiri@mellanox.com>
>    Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
>
>There are Linux standard APIs for controlling the power to devices,
>the regulator API. So i assume mlxreg-pm will make use of that. There
>are also standard APIs for thermal management, which again, mlxreg-pm
>should be using. The regulator API allows you to find regulators by
>name. So just define a sensible naming convention, and the switch
>driver can lookup the regulator, and turn it on/off as needed.


I don't think it would apply. The thing is, i2c driver has a channel to
the linecard eeprom, from where it can read info about the linecard. The
i2c driver also knows when the linecard is plugged in, unlike mlxsw.
It acts as a standalone driver. Mlxsw has no way to directly find if the
card was plugged in (unpowered) and which type it is.

Not sure how to "embed" it. I don't think any existing API could help.
Basicall mlxsw would have to register a callback to the i2c driver
called every time card is inserted to do auto-provision.
Now consider a case when there are multiple instances of the ASIC on the
system. How to assemble a relationship between mlxsw instance and i2c
driver instance?

But again, auto-provision is only one usecase. Manual provisioning is
needed anyway. And that is exactly what my patchset is aiming to
introduce. Auto-provision can be added when/if needed later on.


>
>I'm guessing there are no standard Linux API which mlxreg-lc fits. I'm
>also not sure it offers anything useful standalone. So i would
>actually embed it inside the switchdev driver, and have internal APIs
>to get information about the line card.
>
>But i'm missing big picture architecture knowledge here, there could
>be reasons why these suggestions don't work.
>
>   Andrew

  reply	other threads:[~2021-01-27  8:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-13 12:12 [patch net-next RFC 00/10] introduce line card support for modular switch Jiri Pirko
2021-01-13 12:12 ` [patch net-next RFC 01/10] devlink: add support to create line card and expose to user Jiri Pirko
2021-01-15 15:47   ` Ido Schimmel
2021-01-13 12:12 ` [patch net-next RFC 02/10] devlink: implement line card provisioning Jiri Pirko
2021-01-15 16:03   ` Ido Schimmel
2021-01-15 16:51     ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-15 18:09       ` Ido Schimmel
2021-01-18 12:50         ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-13 12:12 ` [patch net-next RFC 03/10] devlink: implement line card active state Jiri Pirko
2021-01-15 16:06   ` Ido Schimmel
2021-01-15 16:52     ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-13 12:12 ` [patch net-next RFC 04/10] devlink: append split port number to the port name Jiri Pirko
2021-01-13 12:12 ` [patch net-next RFC 05/10] devlink: add port to line card relationship set Jiri Pirko
2021-01-15 16:10   ` Ido Schimmel
2021-01-15 16:53     ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-13 12:12 ` [patch net-next RFC 06/10] netdevsim: introduce line card support Jiri Pirko
2021-01-13 12:12 ` [patch net-next RFC 07/10] netdevsim: allow port objects to be linked with line cards Jiri Pirko
2021-01-13 12:12 ` [patch net-next RFC 08/10] netdevsim: create devlink line card object and implement provisioning Jiri Pirko
2021-01-15 16:30   ` Ido Schimmel
2021-01-15 16:54     ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-13 12:12 ` [patch net-next RFC 09/10] netdevsim: implement line card activation Jiri Pirko
2021-01-13 12:12 ` [patch net-next RFC 10/10] selftests: add netdevsim devlink lc test Jiri Pirko
2021-01-13 13:39 ` [patch iproute2/net-next RFC] devlink: add support for linecard show and provision Jiri Pirko
2021-01-14  2:07 ` [patch net-next RFC 00/10] introduce line card support for modular switch Andrew Lunn
2021-01-14  7:39   ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-14 22:56     ` Jacob Keller
2021-01-15 14:19       ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-19 11:56   ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-19 14:51     ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-20  8:36       ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-20 13:56         ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-20 23:41           ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-01-21  0:01             ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-21  0:16               ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-01-21 15:34               ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-21 15:32             ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-21 16:38               ` David Ahern
2021-01-22  7:28                 ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-22 14:13                   ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-26 11:33                     ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-26 13:56                       ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-27  7:57                         ` Jiri Pirko [this message]
2021-01-27 14:14                           ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-27 14:57                             ` David Ahern
2021-01-28  8:14                             ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-28 14:17                               ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-29  7:20                                 ` Jiri Pirko
     [not found]                                   ` <YBQujIdnFtEhWqTF@lunn.ch>
2021-01-29 16:45                                     ` Vadim Pasternak
2021-01-29 17:31                                       ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-30 14:19                                         ` Jiri Pirko
     [not found]                                           ` <251d1e12-1d61-0922-31f8-a8313f18f194@gmail.com>
2021-02-01  8:16                                             ` Jiri Pirko
2021-02-01 13:41                                               ` Andrew Lunn
2021-02-03 14:57                                                 ` Jiri Pirko
2021-02-03 16:26                                                   ` Andrew Lunn
2021-02-01  1:43                                       ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-22  8:05                 ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-19 16:23     ` David Ahern
2021-01-20  8:37       ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-14  2:27 ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-01-14  7:48   ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-14 23:30     ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-01-15 14:39       ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-15 19:26         ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-01-18 13:00           ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-18 17:59             ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-01-19 11:51               ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-18 22:55             ` David Ahern
2021-01-22  8:01               ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-14 22:58   ` Jacob Keller
2021-01-14 23:20     ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-01-15 14:40       ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-15 15:43 ` Ido Schimmel
2021-01-15 16:55   ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-15 18:01     ` Ido Schimmel
2021-01-18 13:03       ` Jiri Pirko
2021-01-18 18:01 ` Edwin Peer
2021-01-18 22:57   ` David Ahern
2021-01-18 23:40     ` Edwin Peer
2021-01-19  2:39       ` David Ahern
2021-01-19  5:06         ` Edwin Peer

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