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From: Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexanderduyck@fb.com>,
	"Michael S . Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net] net: avoid 32 x truesize under-estimation for tiny skbs
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2022 12:48:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fff6a18ddb74423cd31918802e4001f8bd7e27c5.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <66c8b7c2-25a6-2834-b341-22b6498e3f7e@gmail.com>

On Wed, 2022-09-07 at 13:40 -0700, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> On 9/7/22 13:19, Paolo Abeni wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > reviving an old thread...
> > On Wed, 2021-01-13 at 08:18 -0800, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> > > While using page fragments instead of a kmalloc backed skb->head might give
> > > a small performance improvement in some cases, there is a huge risk of
> > > under estimating memory usage.
> > [...]
> > 
> > > Note that we might in the future use the sk_buff napi cache,
> > > instead of going through a more expensive __alloc_skb()
> > > 
> > > Another idea would be to use separate page sizes depending
> > > on the allocated length (to never have more than 4 frags per page)
> > I'm investigating a couple of performance regressions pointing to this
> > change and I'd like to have a try to the 2nd suggestion above.
> > 
> > If I read correctly, it means:
> > - extend the page_frag_cache alloc API to allow forcing max order==0
> > - add a 2nd page_frag_cache into napi_alloc_cache (say page_order0 or
> > page_small)
> > - in __napi_alloc_skb(), when len <= SKB_WITH_OVERHEAD(1024), use the
> > page_small cache with order 0 allocation.
> > (all the above constrained to host with 4K pages)
> > 
> > I'm not quite sure about the "never have more than 4 frags per page"
> > part.
> > 
> > What outlined above will allow for 10 min size frags in page_order0, as
> > (SKB_DATA_ALIGN(0) + SKB_DATA_ALIGN(struct skb_shared_info) == 384. I'm
> > not sure that anything will allocate such small frags.
> > With a more reasonable GRO_MAX_HEAD, there will be 6 frags per page.
> 
> Well, some arches have PAGE_SIZE=65536 :/

Yes, the idea is to implement all the above only for arches with
PAGE_SIZE==4K. Would that be reasonable? 

Thanks!

Paolo


  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-08 10:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-13 16:18 [PATCH net] net: avoid 32 x truesize under-estimation for tiny skbs Eric Dumazet
2021-01-13 18:00 ` Alexander Duyck
2021-01-13 19:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-01-13 22:23 ` David Laight
2021-01-14  5:16   ` Eric Dumazet
2021-01-14  9:29     ` David Laight
2021-01-14 19:00 ` patchwork-bot+netdevbpf
     [not found] ` <1617007696.5731978-1-xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
2021-03-29  9:06   ` Eric Dumazet
2021-03-31  8:11     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-03-31  8:36       ` Eric Dumazet
2021-03-31  8:46         ` Eric Dumazet
2021-03-31  8:49           ` Eric Dumazet
2021-03-31  8:54             ` Eric Dumazet
     [not found]               ` <1617248264.4993114-2-xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
2021-04-01  5:06                 ` Eric Dumazet
     [not found]                   ` <1617357110.3822439-1-xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
2021-04-02 12:52                     ` Eric Dumazet
2021-04-01 13:51         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-04-01 14:08           ` Eric Dumazet
2021-04-01  7:14       ` Jason Wang
     [not found]         ` <1617267183.5697193-1-xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
2021-04-01  9:58           ` Eric Dumazet
2021-04-02  2:52             ` Jason Wang
     [not found]               ` <1617361253.1788838-2-xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
2021-04-02 12:53                 ` Eric Dumazet
2021-04-06  2:04                 ` Jason Wang
     [not found]       ` <1617190239.1035674-1-xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
2021-03-31 12:08         ` Eric Dumazet
2021-04-01 13:36         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-09-07 20:19 ` Paolo Abeni
2022-09-07 20:40   ` Eric Dumazet
2022-09-08 10:48     ` Paolo Abeni [this message]
2022-09-08 12:20       ` Eric Dumazet
2022-09-08 14:26         ` Paolo Abeni
2022-09-08 16:00           ` Eric Dumazet
2022-09-07 21:36   ` Alexander H Duyck
2022-09-08 11:00     ` Paolo Abeni
2022-09-08 14:53       ` Alexander H Duyck
2022-09-08 18:01         ` Paolo Abeni
2022-09-08 19:26           ` Alexander Duyck

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