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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
Cc: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	Satya Tangirala <satyat@google.com>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fscrypt@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Barani Muthukumaran <bmuthuku@qti.qualcomm.com>,
	Kuohong Wang <kuohong.wang@mediatek.com>,
	Kim Boojin <boojin.kim@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 2/9] block: Add encryption context to struct bio
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 19:52:37 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191220035237.GB718@sol.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yq1fthhdttv.fsf@oracle.com>

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 07:47:56PM -0500, Martin K. Petersen wrote:
> 
> Eric,
> 
> > There's not really any such thing as "use the bio integrity plumbing".
> > blk-integrity just does blk-integrity; it's not a plumbing layer that
> > allows other features to be supported.  Well, in theory we could
> > refactor and rename all the hooks to "blk-extra" and make them
> > delegate to either blk-integrity or blk-crypto, but I think that would
> > be overkill.
> 
> I certainly don't expect your crypto stuff to plug in without any
> modification to what we currently have. I'm just observing that the
> existing plumbing is designed to have pluggable functions that let
> filesystems attach additional information to bios on writes and process
> additional attached information on reads. And the block layer already
> handles slicing and dicing these attachments as the I/O traverses the
> stack.
> 
> There's also other stuff that probably won't be directly applicable or
> interesting for your use case. It just seems like identifying actual
> commonalities and differences would be worthwhile.
> 
> Note that substantial changes to the integrity code would inevitably
> lead to a lot of pain and suffering for me. So from that perspective I
> am very happy if you leave it alone. From an architectural viewpoint,
> however, it seems that there are more similarities than differences
> between crypto and integrity. And we should avoid duplication where
> possible. That's all.

There are some similarities, like both being optional features that need extra
per-bio information and hooks for bio merging, freeing, cloning, and advancing.

However, the nature of the per-bio information is very different.  Most of the
complexity in blk-integrity is around managing of a separate integrity
scatterlist for each bio, alongside the regular data scatterlist.

That's not something we need or want for inline encryption.  For each bio we
just need a key, algorithm, data unit number, and data unit size.  Since the
data unit number (IV) is automatically incremented for each sector and the
encryption is length-preserving, there's no per-sector data.

(Granted, from a crypto perspective ideally one would use authenticated
encryption, which does require per-sector data.  However, no one seems
interested in building hardware that supports it.  So for the forseeable future,
only length-preserving encryption is in scope for this.)

Also, blk-crypto actually transforms the data whereas blk-integrity does not.

> > What we could do, though, is say that at most one of blk-crypto and
> > blk-integrity can be used at once on a given bio, and put the
> > bi_integrity and bi_crypt_context pointers in union.  (That would
> > require allocating a REQ_INLINECRYPT bit so that we can tell what the
> > pointer points to.)
> 
> Absolutely. That's why it's a union. Putting your stuff there is a
> prerequisite as far as I'm concerned. No need to grow the bio when the
> two features are unlikely to coexist. We can revisit that later should
> the need arise.

There are some ways the two features could be supported simultaneously without
using more space, like making the pointer point to a linked list of tagged
structs, or making the struct contain both a bio_crypt_ctx and
bio_integrity_payload (or whichever combination is enabled in kconfig).

But it would be painful and I don't think people need this for now.  So if
people really aren't willing to accept the extra 8 bytes per bio even behind a
kconfig option, my vote is we that we put bi_crypt_context in the union with
bi_integrity, and add a flag REQ_INLINECRYPT (like REQ_INTEGRITY) that indicates
that the bi_crypt_context member of the union is valid.

We'd also need some error-handling to prevent the two features from actually
being used together.  It looks like there are several cases to consider.  One of
them is what happens if bio_crypt_set_ctx() is called when blk-integrity
verification or generation is enabled for the disk.  I suppose it could either
return an error, or we could make blk-crypto use the crypto API fallback
provided that it was modified to make the decryption stop relying on
->bi_crypt_context, which could be done by cloning the bio and using
->bi_private instead.

- Eric

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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
Cc: linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	Kuohong Wang <kuohong.wang@mediatek.com>,
	Kim Boojin <boojin.kim@samsung.com>,
	Barani Muthukumaran <bmuthuku@qti.qualcomm.com>,
	Satya Tangirala <satyat@google.com>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-fscrypt@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v6 2/9] block: Add encryption context to struct bio
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 19:52:37 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191220035237.GB718@sol.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yq1fthhdttv.fsf@oracle.com>

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 07:47:56PM -0500, Martin K. Petersen wrote:
> 
> Eric,
> 
> > There's not really any such thing as "use the bio integrity plumbing".
> > blk-integrity just does blk-integrity; it's not a plumbing layer that
> > allows other features to be supported.  Well, in theory we could
> > refactor and rename all the hooks to "blk-extra" and make them
> > delegate to either blk-integrity or blk-crypto, but I think that would
> > be overkill.
> 
> I certainly don't expect your crypto stuff to plug in without any
> modification to what we currently have. I'm just observing that the
> existing plumbing is designed to have pluggable functions that let
> filesystems attach additional information to bios on writes and process
> additional attached information on reads. And the block layer already
> handles slicing and dicing these attachments as the I/O traverses the
> stack.
> 
> There's also other stuff that probably won't be directly applicable or
> interesting for your use case. It just seems like identifying actual
> commonalities and differences would be worthwhile.
> 
> Note that substantial changes to the integrity code would inevitably
> lead to a lot of pain and suffering for me. So from that perspective I
> am very happy if you leave it alone. From an architectural viewpoint,
> however, it seems that there are more similarities than differences
> between crypto and integrity. And we should avoid duplication where
> possible. That's all.

There are some similarities, like both being optional features that need extra
per-bio information and hooks for bio merging, freeing, cloning, and advancing.

However, the nature of the per-bio information is very different.  Most of the
complexity in blk-integrity is around managing of a separate integrity
scatterlist for each bio, alongside the regular data scatterlist.

That's not something we need or want for inline encryption.  For each bio we
just need a key, algorithm, data unit number, and data unit size.  Since the
data unit number (IV) is automatically incremented for each sector and the
encryption is length-preserving, there's no per-sector data.

(Granted, from a crypto perspective ideally one would use authenticated
encryption, which does require per-sector data.  However, no one seems
interested in building hardware that supports it.  So for the forseeable future,
only length-preserving encryption is in scope for this.)

Also, blk-crypto actually transforms the data whereas blk-integrity does not.

> > What we could do, though, is say that at most one of blk-crypto and
> > blk-integrity can be used at once on a given bio, and put the
> > bi_integrity and bi_crypt_context pointers in union.  (That would
> > require allocating a REQ_INLINECRYPT bit so that we can tell what the
> > pointer points to.)
> 
> Absolutely. That's why it's a union. Putting your stuff there is a
> prerequisite as far as I'm concerned. No need to grow the bio when the
> two features are unlikely to coexist. We can revisit that later should
> the need arise.

There are some ways the two features could be supported simultaneously without
using more space, like making the pointer point to a linked list of tagged
structs, or making the struct contain both a bio_crypt_ctx and
bio_integrity_payload (or whichever combination is enabled in kconfig).

But it would be painful and I don't think people need this for now.  So if
people really aren't willing to accept the extra 8 bytes per bio even behind a
kconfig option, my vote is we that we put bi_crypt_context in the union with
bi_integrity, and add a flag REQ_INLINECRYPT (like REQ_INTEGRITY) that indicates
that the bi_crypt_context member of the union is valid.

We'd also need some error-handling to prevent the two features from actually
being used together.  It looks like there are several cases to consider.  One of
them is what happens if bio_crypt_set_ctx() is called when blk-integrity
verification or generation is enabled for the disk.  I suppose it could either
return an error, or we could make blk-crypto use the crypto API fallback
provided that it was modified to make the decryption stop relying on
->bi_crypt_context, which could be done by cloning the bio and using
->bi_private instead.

- Eric


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Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-18 14:51 [PATCH v6 0/9] Inline Encryption Support Satya Tangirala
2019-12-18 14:51 ` [f2fs-dev] " Satya Tangirala via Linux-f2fs-devel
2019-12-18 14:51 ` [PATCH v6 1/9] block: Keyslot Manager for Inline Encryption Satya Tangirala
2019-12-18 14:51   ` [f2fs-dev] " Satya Tangirala via Linux-f2fs-devel
2019-12-18 20:13   ` Eric Biggers
2019-12-18 20:13     ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2020-01-17  9:10   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-17  9:10     ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2019-12-18 14:51 ` [PATCH v6 2/9] block: Add encryption context to struct bio Satya Tangirala
2019-12-18 14:51   ` [f2fs-dev] " Satya Tangirala via Linux-f2fs-devel
2019-12-18 21:10   ` Eric Biggers
2019-12-18 21:10     ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2019-12-18 21:21   ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-12-18 21:21     ` [f2fs-dev] " Darrick J. Wong
2019-12-18 21:25     ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-12-18 21:25       ` [f2fs-dev] " Martin K. Petersen
2019-12-18 22:27       ` Eric Biggers
2019-12-18 22:27         ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2019-12-19  0:47         ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-12-19  0:47           ` [f2fs-dev] " Martin K. Petersen
2019-12-20  3:52           ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2019-12-20  3:52             ` Eric Biggers
2020-01-07  4:35             ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-01-07  4:35               ` [f2fs-dev] " Martin K. Petersen
2020-01-08 14:07           ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-08 14:07             ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-08 17:26             ` Eric Biggers
2020-01-08 17:26               ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2020-01-17  8:32               ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-17  8:32                 ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-18  5:11                 ` Eric Biggers
2020-01-18  5:11                   ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2020-01-21 22:05                   ` Satya Tangirala
2020-01-21 22:05                     ` [f2fs-dev] " Satya Tangirala via Linux-f2fs-devel
2020-01-09  3:40             ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-01-09  3:40               ` [f2fs-dev] " Martin K. Petersen
2020-01-14 21:24   ` Eric Biggers
2020-01-14 21:24     ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2019-12-18 14:51 ` [PATCH v6 3/9] block: blk-crypto for Inline Encryption Satya Tangirala
2019-12-18 14:51   ` [f2fs-dev] " Satya Tangirala via Linux-f2fs-devel
2019-12-20  3:14   ` Eric Biggers
2019-12-20  3:14     ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2019-12-20  5:10   ` Eric Biggers
2019-12-20  5:10     ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2020-01-14 21:22   ` Eric Biggers
2020-01-14 21:22     ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2019-12-18 14:51 ` [PATCH v6 4/9] scsi: ufs: UFS driver v2.1 spec crypto additions Satya Tangirala
2019-12-18 14:51   ` [f2fs-dev] " Satya Tangirala via Linux-f2fs-devel
2020-01-17 12:31   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-17 12:31     ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2019-12-18 14:51 ` [PATCH v6 5/9] scsi: ufs: UFS crypto API Satya Tangirala
2019-12-18 14:51   ` [f2fs-dev] " Satya Tangirala via Linux-f2fs-devel
2019-12-20  4:48   ` Eric Biggers
2019-12-20  4:48     ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2020-01-14 21:16     ` Eric Biggers
2020-01-14 21:16       ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2020-01-17 13:51   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-17 13:51     ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2019-12-18 14:51 ` [PATCH v6 6/9] scsi: ufs: Add inline encryption support to UFS Satya Tangirala
2019-12-18 14:51   ` [f2fs-dev] " Satya Tangirala via Linux-f2fs-devel
2019-12-20  5:44   ` Eric Biggers
2019-12-20  5:44     ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2020-01-17 13:58   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-17 13:58     ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-18  5:27     ` Eric Biggers
2020-01-18  5:27       ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2020-02-05 18:07       ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-05 18:07         ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-18  3:58   ` Eric Biggers
2020-01-18  3:58     ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2020-02-05 20:47   ` Eric Biggers
2020-02-05 20:47     ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2019-12-18 14:51 ` [PATCH v6 7/9] fscrypt: add inline encryption support Satya Tangirala
2019-12-18 14:51   ` [f2fs-dev] " Satya Tangirala via Linux-f2fs-devel
2020-01-14 21:12   ` Eric Biggers
2020-01-14 21:12     ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2019-12-18 14:51 ` [PATCH v6 8/9] f2fs: " Satya Tangirala
2019-12-18 14:51   ` [f2fs-dev] " Satya Tangirala via Linux-f2fs-devel
2019-12-20  4:23   ` Eric Biggers
2019-12-20  4:23     ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2019-12-18 14:51 ` [PATCH v6 9/9] ext4: " Satya Tangirala
2019-12-18 14:51   ` [f2fs-dev] " Satya Tangirala via Linux-f2fs-devel
2019-12-19  0:12   ` Eric Biggers
2019-12-19  0:12     ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2019-12-19  0:31     ` Satya Tangirala
2019-12-19  0:31       ` [f2fs-dev] " Satya Tangirala via Linux-f2fs-devel
2019-12-22  0:16   ` Eric Biggers
2019-12-22  0:16     ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2020-01-08 14:05 ` [PATCH v6 0/9] Inline Encryption Support Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-08 14:05   ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-08 18:43   ` Satya Tangirala
2020-01-08 18:43     ` [f2fs-dev] " Satya Tangirala via Linux-f2fs-devel
2020-01-17  8:52     ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-17  8:52       ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-01  0:53       ` Satya Tangirala
2020-02-01  0:53         ` [f2fs-dev] " Satya Tangirala via Linux-f2fs-devel
2020-02-03  9:15         ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-03  9:15           ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-04  3:39           ` Satya Tangirala
2020-02-04  3:39             ` [f2fs-dev] " Satya Tangirala via Linux-f2fs-devel
2020-02-04 14:58             ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-04 14:58               ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-04 21:21               ` Eric Biggers
2020-02-04 21:21                 ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2020-02-05  7:36                 ` Eric Biggers
2020-02-05  7:36                   ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2020-02-05 18:05                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-05 18:05                     ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-21 12:30                     ` Satya Tangirala
2020-02-21 12:30                       ` [f2fs-dev] " Satya Tangirala via Linux-f2fs-devel
2020-02-21 14:20                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-21 14:20                         ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig

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