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From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@proton.me>
Cc: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	a.hindborg@samsung.com, alex.gaynor@gmail.com, arve@android.com,
	bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com, boqun.feng@gmail.com,
	cmllamas@google.com, dan.j.williams@intel.com, dxu@dxuuu.xyz,
	gary@garyguo.net, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
	joel@joelfernandes.org, keescook@chromium.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	maco@android.com, ojeda@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, surenb@google.com,
	tglx@linutronix.de, tkjos@android.com, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	wedsonaf@gmail.com, willy@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/7] rust: file: add `FileDescriptorReservation`
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 13:33:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231130-bestrafen-absieht-27dc986abc53@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <nFDPJFnzE9Q5cqY7FwSMByRH2OAn_BpI4H53NQfWIlN6I2qfmAqnkp2wRqn0XjMO65OyZY4h6P4K2nAGKJpAOSzksYXaiAK_FoH_8QbgBI4=@proton.me>

On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 12:17:14PM +0000, Benno Lossin wrote:
> On 30.11.23 12:54, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> > Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org> writes:
> >> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 09:17:56AM +0000, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> >>> Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org> writes:
> >>>>>>> +    /// Prevent values of this type from being moved to a different task.
> >>>>>>> +    ///
> >>>>>>> +    /// This is necessary because the C FFI calls assume that `current` is set to the task that
> >>>>>>> +    /// owns the fd in question.
> >>>>>>> +    _not_send_sync: PhantomData<*mut ()>,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't fully understand this. Can you explain in a little more detail
> >>>>>> what you mean by this and how this works?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yeah, so, this has to do with the Rust trait `Send` that controls
> >>>>> whether it's okay for a value to get moved from one thread to another.
> >>>>> In this case, we don't want it to be `Send` so that it can't be moved to
> >>>>> another thread, since current might be different there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The `Send` trait is automatically applied to structs whenever *all*
> >>>>> fields of the struct are `Send`. So to ensure that a struct is not
> >>>>> `Send`, you add a field that is not `Send`.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The `PhantomData` type used here is a special zero-sized type.
> >>>>> Basically, it says "pretend this struct has a field of type `*mut ()`,
> >>>>> but don't actually add the field". So for the purposes of `Send`, it has
> >>>>> a non-Send field, but since its wrapped in `PhantomData`, the field is
> >>>>> not there at runtime.
> >>>>
> >>>> This probably a stupid suggestion, question. But while PhantomData gives
> >>>> the right hint of what is happening I wouldn't mind if that was very
> >>>> explicitly called NoSendTrait or just add the explanatory comment. Yes,
> >>>> that's a lot of verbiage but you'd help us a lot.
> >>>
> >>> I suppose we could add a typedef:
> >>>
> >>> type NoSendTrait = PhantomData<*mut ()>;
> >>>
> >>> and use that as the field type. The way I did it here is the "standard"
> >>> way of doing it, and if you look at code outside the kernel, you will
> >>> also find them using `PhantomData` like this. However, I don't mind
> >>> adding the typedef if you think it is helpful.
> >>
> >> I'm fine with just a comment as well. I just need to be able to read
> >> this a bit faster. I'm basically losing half a day just dealing with
> >> this patchset and that's not realistic if I want to keep up with other
> >> patches that get sent.
> >>
> >> And if you resend and someone else review you might have to answer the
> >> same question again.
> > 
> > What do you think about this wording?
> > 
> > /// Prevent values of this type from being moved to a different task.
> > ///
> > /// This field has the type `PhantomData<*mut ()>`, which does not
> > /// implement the Send trait. By adding a field with this property, we
> > /// ensure that the `FileDescriptorReservation` struct will not
> > /// implement the Send trait either. This has the consequence that the
> > /// compiler will prevent you from moving values of type
> > /// `FileDescriptorReservation` into a different task, which we want
> > /// because other tasks might have a different value of `current`. We
> > /// want to avoid that because `fd_install` assumes that the value of
> > /// `current` is unchanged since the call to `get_unused_fd_flags`.
> > ///
> > /// The `PhantomData` type has size zero, so the field does not exist at
> > /// runtime.
> > 
> > Alice
> 
> I don't think it is a good idea to add this big comment to every
> `PhantomData` field. I would much rather have a type alias:
> 
>     /// Zero-sized type to mark types not [`Send`].
>     ///
>     /// Add this type as a field to your struct if your type should not be sent to a different task.
>     /// Since [`Send`] is an auto trait, adding a single field that is [`!Send`] will ensure that the
>     /// whole type is [`!Send`].
>     ///
>     /// If a type is [`!Send`] it is impossible to give control over an instance of the type to another
>     /// task. This is useful when a type stores task-local information for example file descriptors.
>     pub type NotSend = PhantomData<*mut ()>;
> 
> If you have suggestions for improving the doc comment or the name,
> please go ahead.
> 
> This doesn't mean that there should be no comment on the `NotSend`
> field of `FileDescriptorReservation`, but I don't want to repeat
> the `Send` stuff all over the place (since it comes up a lot):
> 
>     /// Ensure that `FileDescriptorReservation` cannot be sent to a different task, since there the
>     /// value of `current` is different. We want to avoid that because `fd_install` assumes that the
>     /// value of `current` is unchanged since the call to `get_unused_fd_flags`.
>     _not_send: NotSend,

Seems sane to me. But I would suggest to move away from the "send"
terminology?

* CurrentOnly
* AccessCurrentTask vs AccessForeignTask
* NoForeignTaskAccess
* TaskLocalContext
* TaskCurrentAccess

Or some other variant thereof.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-30 12:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-29 12:51 [PATCH 0/7] File abstractions needed by Rust Binder Alice Ryhl
2023-11-29 12:51 ` [PATCH 1/7] rust: file: add Rust abstraction for `struct file` Alice Ryhl
2023-11-29 15:13   ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-11-29 15:23     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-29 17:08       ` Boqun Feng
2023-11-30 10:42         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-30 15:25           ` Boqun Feng
2023-12-01  8:53             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-12-01  9:19               ` Boqun Feng
2023-12-01  9:40                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-12-01 10:36                   ` Boqun Feng
2023-12-01 11:05                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-12-01  9:00             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-12-01  9:52               ` Boqun Feng
2023-11-29 16:42     ` Alice Ryhl
2023-11-29 16:45       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-30 15:02     ` Benno Lossin
2023-11-29 17:06   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-29 21:27     ` Alice Ryhl
2023-11-29 23:17       ` Benno Lossin
2023-11-30 10:48       ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-30 12:10         ` Alice Ryhl
2023-11-30 12:36           ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-30 14:53   ` Benno Lossin
2023-11-30 14:59     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-11-30 15:46       ` Benno Lossin
2023-11-30 15:56         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-11-30 15:58         ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-11-30 16:12           ` Benno Lossin
2023-12-01  1:16             ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-12-01 12:11             ` David Laight
2023-12-01 12:27               ` Alice Ryhl
2023-12-01 15:04                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-12-01 15:14                   ` Benno Lossin
2023-12-01 17:25                     ` David Laight
2023-12-01 17:37                       ` Benno Lossin
2023-11-29 12:51 ` [PATCH 2/7] rust: cred: add Rust abstraction for `struct cred` Alice Ryhl
2023-11-30 16:17   ` Benno Lossin
2023-12-01  9:06     ` Alice Ryhl
2023-12-01 10:27       ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-04 15:42         ` Alice Ryhl
2023-11-29 13:11 ` [PATCH 3/7] rust: security: add abstraction for secctx Alice Ryhl
2023-11-30 16:26   ` Benno Lossin
2023-12-01 10:48     ` Alice Ryhl
2023-12-02 10:03       ` Benno Lossin
2023-11-29 13:11 ` [PATCH 4/7] rust: file: add `FileDescriptorReservation` Alice Ryhl
2023-11-29 16:14   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-29 16:55     ` Alice Ryhl
2023-11-29 17:14       ` Alice Ryhl
2023-11-30  9:12         ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-30  9:23           ` Alice Ryhl
2023-11-30  9:09       ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-30  9:17         ` Alice Ryhl
2023-11-30 10:51           ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-30 11:54             ` Alice Ryhl
2023-11-30 12:17               ` Benno Lossin
2023-11-30 12:33                 ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2023-11-30 16:40   ` Benno Lossin
2023-12-01 11:32     ` Alice Ryhl
2023-11-29 13:12 ` [PATCH 5/7] rust: file: add `Kuid` wrapper Alice Ryhl
2023-11-29 16:28   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-29 16:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-30 12:46       ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-06 19:59         ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-08 16:26           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-12-08 19:58             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-08  5:28         ` comex
2023-12-08 16:19           ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-12-08 17:08             ` Nick Desaulniers
2023-12-08 17:37               ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-12-08 17:43               ` Boqun Feng
2023-12-08 20:43               ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-12-09  7:24             ` comex
2023-11-30  9:36     ` Alice Ryhl
2023-11-30 10:52       ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-30 10:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-12-06 20:02     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-07  7:18       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-12-07  7:46         ` Kent Overstreet
2023-11-30 16:48   ` Benno Lossin
2023-11-29 13:12 ` [PATCH 6/7] rust: file: add `DeferredFdCloser` Alice Ryhl
2023-11-30 17:12   ` Benno Lossin
2023-12-01 11:35     ` Alice Ryhl
2023-12-02 10:16       ` Benno Lossin
2023-12-05 14:43         ` Alice Ryhl
2023-12-05 18:16           ` Alice Ryhl
2023-11-29 13:12 ` [PATCH 7/7] rust: file: add abstraction for `poll_table` Alice Ryhl
2023-11-30 17:42   ` Benno Lossin
2023-12-01 11:47     ` Alice Ryhl
2023-11-30 22:39   ` Boqun Feng
2023-12-01 11:50     ` Alice Ryhl
2023-11-30 22:50   ` Boqun Feng
2023-11-29 16:31 ` [PATCH 0/7] File abstractions needed by Rust Binder Christian Brauner
2023-11-29 16:48   ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-12-06 20:05   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-08 16:59     ` Miguel Ojeda

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