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From: Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de>
To: wireguard@lists.zx2c4.com
Subject: Re: Need for HW-clock independent timestamps
Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 08:11:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c468bc7b-c1bf-b8db-1168-0ee7eef2f385@urlichs.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <793381ba-b59d-50e4-6d7b-cbe9bef91ba1@cgws.de>


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On 12.05.2018 21:29, Axel Neumann wrote:
> Thanks a lot for your replies. But as you can see from my comments below
> this all does not look like a valid option for many embedded use cases.
> BTW, my background are community mesh networks which are maintained by
> all kind of different individuals using a zoo of different device types.
>
> I would really appreciate if WG can further elaborate on this issue.
> There are many real-life communities with embedded-device deployments
> that would be looking forward to use WG.
>
> Could you also comment on the described approach (see again at the end
> of the mail) of allowing (maybe as an alternative) a sequence number
> instead of a timestamp?
What's the problem? the protocol documentation states

> The server keeps track of the greatest timestamp received /per client/
> and discards packets containing timestamps less than or equal to it.

I just checked the C implementation; it does this check (and no others).
In particular it doesn't check whether the timestamp field corresponds
to anybody's idea of the current time.

Thus you don't need current time; you just need to seed a counter. I
would thus add an option to wg.conf that, if present, sets the
interface's current timestamp to some value and uses it as a counter
instead of a timestamp.

Then, when you set up your WG instance, you should immediately rewrite
your wg.conf file (just add 2^32) so that a reboot doesn't DoS yourself.
Additionally, when you acquire NTP sync, set the parameter to the
TAI64N() of the current time. To be extra safe, repeat this every week
or month or so.

Can anybody think of problems with this solution?

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-- Matthias Urlichs


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-05-13  6:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-11 22:07 WG: Need for HW-clock independent timestamps Axel Neumann
2018-05-11 22:45 ` Kalin KOZHUHAROV
2018-05-12  0:05   ` Glen Bojsza
2018-05-12 19:29   ` Axel Neumann
2018-05-12 19:41     ` Aaron Jones
2018-05-15 20:21       ` Devan Carpenter
2018-05-15 20:49         ` Kalin KOZHUHAROV
2018-05-16  7:10           ` Matthias Urlichs
2018-05-16 19:32           ` Axel Neumann
2018-05-16 20:32             ` Steve Gilberd
2018-05-17  3:40               ` Paul
2018-05-17  5:03                 ` Roman Mamedov
2018-05-17  5:53                   ` Matthias Urlichs
2018-05-17  7:07                     ` Axel Neumann
2018-05-17  8:28                       ` Matthias Urlichs
2018-05-16 20:35             ` Kalin KOZHUHAROV
2018-05-12 22:10     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-05-12 23:05     ` Reuben Martin
2018-05-13  6:11     ` Matthias Urlichs [this message]
2018-05-13 12:37       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-05-16  7:01         ` Axel Neumann
2018-05-16  9:38           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-05-16 11:08             ` Matthias Urlichs
2018-05-16 11:12             ` Axel Neumann
2018-05-13 14:21   ` Wang Jian
2018-05-21 10:07 ` WG: " Axel Neumann
2018-05-21 11:22   ` Reto Brunner
2018-05-21 11:52     ` Axel Neumann
2018-05-21 12:31       ` Axel Neumann
2018-05-21 12:35       ` Reto Brunner
2018-05-21 13:53         ` Matthias Urlichs
2018-05-21 14:56           ` Bruno Wolff III
2018-05-21 15:34             ` Matthias Urlichs
2018-05-22 20:25               ` Ivan Labáth
2018-05-23  2:51                 ` Matthias Urlichs
2019-02-04 14:56                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-02-23  4:00                   ` Axel Neumann
2019-02-23 12:35                     ` Ivan Labáth
     [not found] <1324673763.992877.1526187430298.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
2018-05-13  4:57 ` reiner otto
2018-05-13 12:35   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen

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