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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Jiri Slaby <jslaby@novell.com>,
	"jirislaby@gmail.com" <jirislaby@gmail.com>,
	"nhorman@tuxdriver.com" <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
	"sfr@canb.auug.org.au" <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"marcin.slusarz@gmail.com" <marcin.slusarz@gmail.com>,
	"tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"hpa@zytor.com" <hpa@zytor.com>, James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	"linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/16] IA64: use ACCESS_ONCE for rlimits
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:28:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091119022816.GA27729@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0911181138120.2261@localhost.localdomain>


* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> So the rule is: if you access unlocked values, you use ACCESS_ONCE(). 
> You don't say "but it can't matter". Because you simply don't know.

Most of the time we are being lax about it, especially when it's some 
global value we are accessing, which can only be changed as a sysadmin 
via a sysctl or so.

[ For example we access pid_max in kernel/pid.c, outside of any lock and 
  without ACCESS_ONCE() - but that particular case is not a big deal 
  because changes to pid_max via a sysctl are so rare and are 
  privileged, and because the effects of any race there are benign. ]

But this patch series is about setrlimit, which makes the per task 
rlimit value pretty SMP-volatile (a parallel, unprivileged setrlimit can 
race with usage of the value elsewhere) - and the rlimits have security 
relevance as well so some extra care in accessing them outside of locks 
is prudent IMO.

	Ingo

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Jiri Slaby <jslaby@novell.com>,
	"jirislaby@gmail.com" <jirislaby@gmail.com>,
	"nhorman@tuxdriver.com" <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
	"sfr@canb.auug.org.au" <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"marcin.slusarz@gmail.com" <marcin.slusarz@gmail.com>,
	"tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"hpa@zytor.com" <hpa@zytor.com>, James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	"linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/16] IA64: use ACCESS_ONCE for rlimits
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:28:16 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091119022816.GA27729@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0911181138120.2261@localhost.localdomain>


* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> So the rule is: if you access unlocked values, you use ACCESS_ONCE(). 
> You don't say "but it can't matter". Because you simply don't know.

Most of the time we are being lax about it, especially when it's some 
global value we are accessing, which can only be changed as a sysadmin 
via a sysctl or so.

[ For example we access pid_max in kernel/pid.c, outside of any lock and 
  without ACCESS_ONCE() - but that particular case is not a big deal 
  because changes to pid_max via a sysctl are so rare and are 
  privileged, and because the effects of any race there are benign. ]

But this patch series is about setrlimit, which makes the per task 
rlimit value pretty SMP-volatile (a parallel, unprivileged setrlimit can 
race with usage of the value elsewhere) - and the rlimits have security 
relevance as well so some extra care in accessing them outside of locks 
is prudent IMO.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-19  2:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-28 20:06 [PATCH] proc: augment /proc/pid/limits to allow setting of process limits Neil Horman
2009-09-28 22:44 ` Andrew Morton
2009-09-29  1:14   ` Neil Horman
2009-09-29 20:25   ` [PATCH] proc: augment /proc/pid/limits to allow setting of process limits (v2) Neil Horman
2009-09-29 20:46     ` Andrew Morton
2009-09-30  0:59       ` Neil Horman
2009-10-01 17:15 ` [PATCH 0/3] extend get/setrlimit to support setting rlimits external to a process (v3) Neil Horman
2009-10-01 17:16   ` [PATCH 1/3] " Neil Horman
2009-10-04 12:14     ` Marcin Slusarz
2009-10-04 16:50       ` Neil Horman
2009-10-04 20:04         ` Marcin Slusarz
2009-10-04 23:10           ` Neil Horman
2009-10-04 20:30     ` Marcin Slusarz
2009-10-01 17:21   ` [PATCH 2/3] " Neil Horman
2009-10-01 17:22   ` [PATCH 3/3] " Neil Horman
2009-10-05  0:26   ` [PATCH 0/3] extend get/setrlimit to support setting rlimits external to a process (v4) Neil Horman
2009-10-05  0:53     ` [PATCH 1/3] " Neil Horman
2009-10-08 21:32       ` Marcin Slusarz
2009-10-09  2:00         ` Neil Horman
2009-10-05  0:54     ` [PATCH 2/3] " Neil Horman
2009-10-05  1:57       ` Américo Wang
2009-10-05 12:32         ` Neil Horman
2009-10-05  0:54     ` [PATCH 3/3] " Neil Horman
2009-10-12 16:13   ` [PATCH 0/3] extend get/setrlimit to support setting rlimits external to a process (v5) Neil Horman
2009-10-12 16:20     ` [PATCH 1/3] " Neil Horman
2009-10-12 16:25     ` [PATCH 2/3] " Neil Horman
2009-10-12 16:27     ` [PATCH 3/3] " Neil Horman
2009-10-12 20:13     ` [PATCH 0/3] extend get/setrlimit to support setting rlimits external to a process (v6) Neil Horman
2009-10-12 20:20       ` [PATCH 1/3] " Neil Horman
2009-10-12 20:23       ` [PATCH 2/3] " Neil Horman
2009-10-12 20:25       ` [PATCH 3/3] " Neil Horman
2009-10-20  0:52       ` [PATCH 0/3] extend get/setrlimit to support setting rlimits external to a process (v7) Neil Horman
2009-10-20  0:53         ` [PATCH 1/3] " Neil Horman
2009-10-20  0:54         ` [PATCH 2/3] " Neil Horman
2009-11-02 15:10           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-02 17:40             ` Neil Horman
2009-10-20  0:55         ` [PATCH 3/3] " Neil Horman
2009-10-28 14:44         ` [PATCH 0/3] " Neil Horman
2009-10-30 18:24           ` Neil Horman
2009-11-02 15:25         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-02 17:54           ` Neil Horman
2009-11-02 18:51             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-03  0:23               ` Neil Horman
2009-11-04 11:26                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-05 20:48                   ` Neil Horman
2009-11-06  9:26                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-06 10:00                       ` Jiri Slaby
2009-11-08 10:36                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-09  0:10                           ` Neil Horman
2009-11-09  8:32                             ` Jiri Slaby
2009-11-09 13:34                               ` Neil Horman
2009-11-09  8:54                       ` Jiri Slaby
2009-11-09  9:01                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-09  9:22                           ` Jiri Slaby
2009-11-09  9:26                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-09 13:35                               ` Neil Horman
2009-11-09 15:56                           ` Jiri Slaby
2009-11-09 16:40                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-11-09 17:15                               ` Jiri Slaby
2009-11-09 17:26                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-09 17:36                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-11-18 14:51                                   ` Jiri Slaby
2009-11-18 14:51                                     ` [PATCH 01/16] core: posix-cpu-timers, cleanup rlimits usage Jiri Slaby
2009-11-18 16:48                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-18 14:51                                     ` [PATCH 02/16] core: do security check under task_lock Jiri Slaby
2009-11-18 21:47                                       ` James Morris
2009-11-18 14:51                                     ` [PATCH 03/16] IA64: use ACCESS_ONCE for rlimits Jiri Slaby
2009-11-18 14:51                                       ` Jiri Slaby
2009-11-18 18:56                                       ` Luck, Tony
2009-11-18 18:56                                         ` Luck, Tony
2009-11-18 19:48                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-18 19:48                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-19  2:28                                           ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-11-19  2:28                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-18 14:51                                     ` [PATCH 04/16] PPC: " Jiri Slaby
2009-11-18 14:51                                       ` Jiri Slaby
2009-11-18 14:51                                     ` [PATCH 05/16] S390: " Jiri Slaby
2009-11-18 14:51                                     ` [PATCH 06/16] SPARC: " Jiri Slaby
2009-11-18 14:51                                       ` Jiri Slaby
2009-11-18 17:55                                       ` David Miller
2009-11-18 17:55                                         ` David Miller
2009-11-18 18:09                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-18 18:09                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-18 14:51                                     ` [PATCH 07/16] X86: " Jiri Slaby
2009-11-18 14:51                                     ` [PATCH 08/16] FS: " Jiri Slaby
2009-11-18 14:51                                     ` [PATCH 09/16] MM: " Jiri Slaby
2009-11-18 14:51                                       ` Jiri Slaby
2009-11-18 15:29                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-18 15:29                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-18 14:51                                     ` [PATCH 10/16] core: " Jiri Slaby
     [not found]                                     ` <4B040A03.2020508-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-18 14:51                                       ` [PATCH 11/16] misc: " Jiri Slaby
2009-11-18 14:51                                         ` Jiri Slaby
2009-11-18 14:51                                     ` [PATCH 12/16] core: rename setrlimit to do_setrlimit Jiri Slaby
2009-11-20  6:10                                       ` Américo Wang
2009-11-18 14:51                                     ` [PATCH 13/16] core: implement getprlimit and setprlimit syscalls Jiri Slaby
2009-11-20 13:14                                       ` Neil Horman
2009-11-18 14:52                                     ` [PATCH 14/16] unistd: add __NR_[get|set]prlimit syscall numbers Jiri Slaby
2009-11-18 14:52                                     ` [PATCH 15/16] COMPAT: add get/put_compat_rlimit Jiri Slaby
2009-12-30 23:55                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-01-06  9:35                                         ` Jiri Slaby
2009-11-18 14:52                                     ` [PATCH 16/16] x86: add ia32 compat prlimit syscalls Jiri Slaby
2009-11-18 23:15                                     ` [PATCH 0/3] extend get/setrlimit to support setting rlimits external to a process (v7) Oleg Nesterov
2009-11-19 15:43                                       ` Jiri Slaby
2009-11-20  2:11                                         ` acct_file_reopen() && do_acct_process() (Was: [PATCH 0/3] extend get/setrlimit to support setting rlimits external to a process (v7)) Oleg Nesterov
2009-11-20 10:27                                           ` Jiri Slaby
2009-10-12 21:58     ` [PATCH 0/3] extend get/setrlimit to support setting rlimits external to a process (v5) Andrew Morton
2009-10-13  0:06       ` Neil Horman

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