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From: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
To: Pete Harlan <pgit@pcharlan.com>
Cc: Piotr Krukowiecki <piotr.krukowiecki.news@gmail.com>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Consistent terminology: cached/staged/index
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 03:00:09 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110215090009.GA22498@elie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D5A3964.9090209@pcharlan.com>

Hi Pete,

Pete Harlan wrote:

> Part of the issue could be that one intimately familiar with Git's
> internals may find a process oriented interface irritating ("Why must
> it say 'staging area' when it's just updating the index?")

No, no.  I agree there's a problem to solve here.  The current
documentation for git (e.g., the user manual) has a nice, coherent,
user-oriented narrative about trees, commits, and blobs, and meanwhile
it is hard to find a clear story about the index.

Such a story would have to describe the conflict resolution process.
When you encounter a merge conflict, how do you resolve it?  The best
I can do for now is to point to the user manual[1].

http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user-manual.html#conflict-resolution

I even think it is okay to say "The index is a sort of staging area
for your next commit".  Because that is true.  But it is not the full
story, so if one wants to give the index a new name --- which is a
costly thing to do, anyway --- then I do not think "the staging area"
works.

I feel bad to only be presenting complications instead of an alternate
solution.  I do consider workflow oriented explanations very useful.
I've been giving technical explanations in this thread as background
for future storytelling, in the hope that someone more talented than I
am can digest it into a good narrative.

Jonathan

[1] Maybe the process is overdesigned.  After all, what would we lose
by saying

 - an unmerged path justs gets an "unmerged" flag set, meaning that
   flag is not ready for commit yet
 - to get the copy from the common ancestor, use
	git show $(git merge-base HEAD MERGE_HEAD):path/to/file
 - to get the copy from HEAD, use
	git show HEAD:path/to/file
 - likewise to get the copy from MERGE_HEAD

And while I can give answers about why that is a bad interface
(recomputing the merge base is a waste of time; in a recursive merge
the merge base is not a real commit; if there were renames, the copy
from HEAD could be HEAD:other/path and it is hard to find what
other/path is), are those answers enough to justify learning this new
trick?

So we need a better story.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-15  9:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-13 19:20 Consistent terminology: cached/staged/index Piotr Krukowiecki
2011-02-13 19:37 ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-02-13 22:58   ` Junio C Hamano
2011-02-14  2:05     ` Miles Bader
2011-02-14  5:57       ` Junio C Hamano
2011-02-14  6:27         ` Miles Bader
2011-02-14  6:59           ` Johannes Sixt
2011-02-14  7:07             ` Miles Bader
2011-02-14 10:42               ` Michael J Gruber
2011-02-14 11:04                 ` Miles Bader
2011-02-14 17:12                   ` Junio C Hamano
2011-02-14 22:07                     ` Miles Bader
2011-02-14 22:59                       ` Junio C Hamano
2011-02-14 23:47                         ` Miles Bader
2011-02-15  0:12                           ` Junio C Hamano
2011-02-14 13:14                 ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2011-02-14 13:43                   ` Michael J Gruber
2011-02-14 13:57                     ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2011-02-14 14:17                     ` Felipe Contreras
2011-02-14 14:21                       ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2011-02-14 14:40                         ` Jakub Narebski
2011-02-14 15:24                       ` Michael J Gruber
2011-02-14 16:00                         ` Felipe Contreras
2011-02-14 16:04                           ` Michael J Gruber
2011-02-14 16:27                             ` Felipe Contreras
2011-02-14  3:09     ` Pete Harlan
2011-02-16 23:11       ` Drew Northup
2011-02-26 20:36         ` Felipe Contreras
2011-02-27 15:30           ` Drew Northup
2011-02-27 21:16       ` Aghiles
2011-02-28 20:53         ` Drew Northup
2011-02-14 22:32     ` Piotr Krukowiecki
2011-02-14 23:19       ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-02-15  8:29         ` Pete Harlan
2011-02-15  9:00           ` Jonathan Nieder [this message]
2011-02-15 18:15         ` Piotr Krukowiecki
2011-02-15 18:38           ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-02-26 21:09         ` Felipe Contreras
2011-02-26 21:51           ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-02-27  0:01             ` Miles Bader
2011-02-27  0:16             ` Felipe Contreras
2011-02-27  0:46               ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-02-27  8:15               ` Junio C Hamano
2011-02-27  8:43           ` Jeff King
2011-02-27  9:21             ` Miles Bader
2011-02-27 22:28               ` Jon Seymour
2011-02-27 23:57                 ` Junio C Hamano
2011-02-28  9:38                   ` Michael J Gruber
2011-02-27 15:34             ` Drew Northup
2011-02-28 23:03               ` Jeff King
2011-03-01  9:11                 ` David
2011-03-01  9:15                   ` Matthieu Moy
2011-03-01  9:32                     ` Alexei Sholik
2011-03-01 17:02                       ` Drew Northup
2011-03-01 17:30                         ` Alexei Sholik
2011-03-01 17:41                           ` Drew Northup
2011-03-01  9:27                   ` Alexey Feldgendler
2011-03-01 16:46                     ` Drew Northup
2011-03-04 17:18                       ` Felipe Contreras
2011-03-05  4:53                         ` Miles Bader
2011-03-05  5:00                           ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-03-06 12:44                           ` Drew Northup
     [not found]               ` <878466.93199.1298934204331.JavaMail.trustmail@mail1.terreactive.ch>
2011-03-01  8:43                 ` Victor Engmark
2011-02-27 18:46           ` Phil Hord
2011-03-01 10:29 ` Jonathan Nieder

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