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From: "Nakajima, Jun" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: "akataria@vmware.com" <akataria@vmware.com>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	"avi@redhat.com" <avi@redhat.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Daniel Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>, Zach Amsden <zach@vmware.com>,
	"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org" 
	<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [RFC] CPUID usage for interaction between Hypervisors	and	Linux.
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:30:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0B53E02A2965CE4F9ADB38B34501A3A15DE4F934@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48E6BA5B.2090804@zytor.com>

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On 10/3/2008 5:35:39 PM, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Nakajima, Jun wrote:
> >
> > What's the significance of supporting multiple interfaces to the
> > same guest simultaneously, i.e. _runtime_? We don't want the guests
> > to run on such a literarily Frankenstein machine. And practically,
> > such testing/debugging would be good only for Halloween :-).
> >
>
> By that notion, EVERY CPU currently shipped is a "Frankenstein" CPU,
> since at very least they export Intel-derived and AMD-derived interfaces.
>  This is in other words, a ridiculous claim.

The big difference here is that you could create a VM at runtime (by combining the existing interfaces) that did not exist before (or was not tested before). For example, a hypervisor could show hyper-v, osx-v (if any), linux-v, etc., and a guest could create a VM with hyper-v MMU, osx-v interrupt handling, Linux-v timer, etc. And such combinations/variations can grow exponentially.

Or are you suggesting that multiple interfaces be _available_ to guests at runtime but the guest chooses one of them?

>         -hpa
>
             .
Jun Nakajima | Intel Open Source Technology Center
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-07 22:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-01 17:14 [RFC] CPUID usage for interaction between Hypervisors and Linux Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 17:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 17:33   ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 17:45     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:06     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 21:05       ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 22:46         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02  1:11           ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-02  1:24             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-03 22:33               ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-03 23:30                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-04  0:27                   ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-04  0:35                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 22:30                       ` Nakajima, Jun [this message]
2008-10-07 22:37                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 23:45                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-08  1:09                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 23:41                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-07 23:45                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-08  0:40                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-04  8:53                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-01 17:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:04 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:07   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:12     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:16       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:36         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:43           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 19:56             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 20:38           ` Chris Wright
2008-10-01 22:38             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 21:01   ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 21:08     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:15       ` Chris Wright
2008-10-01 21:31         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:23       ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 21:29         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:17     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 21:34       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:43         ` Chris Wright
2008-10-02 11:29           ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-01 23:47         ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-02  0:39           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02  0:57             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02  1:11             ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-02  1:21               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02  0:41           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found] ` <48E3BBC1.2050607__35819.6151479662$1222884502$gmane$org@goop.org>
2008-10-01 20:03   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 20:08     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]     ` <48E3D8A8.604__13396.6479487301$1222891831$gmane$org@goop.org>
2008-10-01 21:03       ` Anthony Liguori

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