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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: "Nakajima, Jun" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>
Cc: "akataria@vmware.com" <akataria@vmware.com>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	"avi@redhat.com" <avi@redhat.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Daniel Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>, Zach Amsden <zach@vmware.com>,
	"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org" 
	<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] CPUID usage for interaction between Hypervisors	and	Linux.
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:24:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48E422CA.2010606@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0B53E02A2965CE4F9ADB38B34501A3A15D927EA4@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>

Nakajima, Jun wrote:
>>
>> All I have seen out of Microsoft only covers CPUID levels 0x40000000
>> as an vendor identification leaf and 0x40000001 as a "hypervisor
>> identification leaf", but you might have access to other information.
> 
> No, it says "Leaf 0x40000001 as hypervisor vendor-neutral interface identification, which determines the semantics of leaves from 0x40000002 through 0x400000FF." The Leaf 0x40000000 returns vendor identifier signature (i.e. hypervisor identification) and the hypervisor CPUID leaf range, as in the proposal.
> 

In other words, 0x40000002+ is vendor-specific space, based on the 
hypervisor specified in 0x40000001 (in theory); in practice both 
0x40000000:0x40000001 since M$ seem to use clever identifiers as 
"Hypervisor 1".

>> This further underscores my belief that using 0x400000xx for anything
>> "standards-based" at all is utterly futile, and that this space should
>> be treated as vendor identification and the rest as vendor-specific.
>> Any hope of creating a standard that's actually usable needs to be
>> outside this space, e.g. in the 0x40SSSSxx space I proposed earlier.
> 
> Actually I'm not sure I'm following your logic. Are you saying using that 0x400000xx for anything "standards-based" is utterly futile because Microsoft said "the range is hypervisor vendor-neutral"? Or you were not sure what they meant there. If we are not clear, we can ask them.
> 

What I'm saying is that Microsoft is effectively squatting on the 
0x400000xx space with their definition.  As written, it's not even clear 
that it will remain consistent between *their own* hypervisors, even 
less anyone else's.

	-hpa


  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-02  1:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-01 17:14 [RFC] CPUID usage for interaction between Hypervisors and Linux Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 17:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 17:33   ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 17:45     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:06     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 21:05       ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 22:46         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02  1:11           ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-02  1:24             ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-10-03 22:33               ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-03 23:30                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-04  0:27                   ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-04  0:35                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 22:30                       ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-07 22:37                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 23:45                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-08  1:09                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 23:41                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-07 23:45                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-08  0:40                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-04  8:53                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-01 17:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:04 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:07   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:12     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:16       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:36         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:43           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 19:56             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 20:38           ` Chris Wright
2008-10-01 22:38             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 21:01   ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 21:08     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:15       ` Chris Wright
2008-10-01 21:31         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:23       ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 21:29         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:17     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 21:34       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:43         ` Chris Wright
2008-10-02 11:29           ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-01 23:47         ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-02  0:39           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02  0:57             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02  1:11             ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-02  1:21               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02  0:41           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found] ` <48E3BBC1.2050607__35819.6151479662$1222884502$gmane$org@goop.org>
2008-10-01 20:03   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 20:08     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]     ` <48E3D8A8.604__13396.6479487301$1222891831$gmane$org@goop.org>
2008-10-01 21:03       ` Anthony Liguori

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