From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: "Nakajima, Jun" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>
Cc: "akataria@vmware.com" <akataria@vmware.com>,
Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
"avi@redhat.com" <avi@redhat.com>,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Daniel Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>, Zach Amsden <zach@vmware.com>,
"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org"
<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] CPUID usage for interaction between Hypervisors and Linux.
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:37:13 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <48EBE499.5000304@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0B53E02A2965CE4F9ADB38B34501A3A15DE4F934@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>
Nakajima, Jun wrote:
> On 10/3/2008 5:35:39 PM, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>> Nakajima, Jun wrote:
>>> What's the significance of supporting multiple interfaces to the
>>> same guest simultaneously, i.e. _runtime_? We don't want the guests
>>> to run on such a literarily Frankenstein machine. And practically,
>>> such testing/debugging would be good only for Halloween :-).
>>>
>> By that notion, EVERY CPU currently shipped is a "Frankenstein" CPU,
>> since at very least they export Intel-derived and AMD-derived interfaces.
>> This is in other words, a ridiculous claim.
>
> The big difference here is that you could create a VM at runtime (by combining the existing interfaces) that did not exist before (or was not tested before). For example, a hypervisor could show hyper-v, osx-v (if any), linux-v, etc., and a guest could create a VM with hyper-v MMU, osx-v interrupt handling, Linux-v timer, etc. And such combinations/variations can grow exponentially.
>
> Or are you suggesting that multiple interfaces be _available_ to guests at runtime but the guest chooses one of them?
>
The guest chooses what it wants to use. We already do this: for
example, we use CPUID leaf 0x80000006 preferentially to CPUID leaf 2,
simply because it is a better interface.
And you're absolutely right that the guest may end up picking and
choosing different parts of the interfaces. That's how it is supposed
to work.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-10-07 22:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-01 17:14 [RFC] CPUID usage for interaction between Hypervisors and Linux Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 17:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 17:33 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 17:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:06 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 21:05 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 22:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02 1:11 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-02 1:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-03 22:33 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-03 23:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-04 0:27 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-04 0:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 22:30 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-07 22:37 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-10-07 23:45 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-08 1:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 23:41 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-07 23:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-08 0:40 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-04 8:53 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-01 17:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:04 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:07 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:12 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:36 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 19:56 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 20:38 ` Chris Wright
2008-10-01 22:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 21:01 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 21:08 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:15 ` Chris Wright
2008-10-01 21:31 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:23 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 21:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:17 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 21:34 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:43 ` Chris Wright
2008-10-02 11:29 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-01 23:47 ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-02 0:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02 0:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02 1:11 ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-02 1:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02 0:41 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <48E3BBC1.2050607__35819.6151479662$1222884502$gmane$org@goop.org>
2008-10-01 20:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 20:08 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
[not found] ` <48E3D8A8.604__13396.6479487301$1222891831$gmane$org@goop.org>
2008-10-01 21:03 ` Anthony Liguori
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