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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: akataria@vmware.com
Cc: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	"avi@redhat.com" <avi@redhat.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Nakajima, Jun" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>,
	Daniel Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>, Zach Amsden <zach@vmware.com>,
	"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org" 
	<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] CPUID usage for interaction between Hypervisors and Linux.
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:08:47 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48E3E6DF.8060400@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1222894878.9381.63.camel@alok-dev1>

Alok Kataria wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 11:04 -0700, Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>   
> 2. Divergence in the interface provided by the hypervisors  : 
> 	The reason we brought up a flat hierarchy is because we think we should
> be moving towards a approach where the guest code doesn't diverge too
> much when running under different hypervisors. That is the guest
> essentially does the same thing if its running on say Xen or VMware.
>
> This design IMO, will take us a step backward to  what we already have
> seen with para virt ops. Each hypervisor (mostly) defines its own cpuid
> block, the guest correspondingly needs to have code to handle each of
> these cpuid blocks, with these blocks will mostly being exclusive.
>   

What's wrong with what we have in paravirt_ops?  Just agreeing on CPUID 
doesn't help very much.  You still need a mechanism for doing hypercalls 
to implement anything meaningful.  We aren't going to agree on a 
hypercall mechanism.  KVM uses direct hypercall instructions, Xen uses a 
hypercall page, VMware uses VMI, Hyper-V uses MSR writes.  We all have 
already defined the hypercall namespace in a certain way.

We've already gone down the road of trying to make standard paravirtual 
interfaces (via virtio).  No one was sufficiently interested in 
collaborating.  I don't see why other paravirtualizations are going to 
be much different.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-01 21:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-01 17:14 [RFC] CPUID usage for interaction between Hypervisors and Linux Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 17:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 17:33   ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 17:45     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:06     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 21:05       ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 22:46         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02  1:11           ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-02  1:24             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-03 22:33               ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-03 23:30                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-04  0:27                   ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-04  0:35                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 22:30                       ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-07 22:37                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 23:45                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-08  1:09                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 23:41                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-07 23:45                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-08  0:40                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-04  8:53                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-01 17:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:04 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:07   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:12     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:16       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:36         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:43           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 19:56             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 20:38           ` Chris Wright
2008-10-01 22:38             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 21:01   ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 21:08     ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2008-10-01 21:15       ` Chris Wright
2008-10-01 21:31         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:23       ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 21:29         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:17     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 21:34       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:43         ` Chris Wright
2008-10-02 11:29           ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-01 23:47         ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-02  0:39           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02  0:57             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02  1:11             ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-02  1:21               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02  0:41           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found] ` <48E3BBC1.2050607__35819.6151479662$1222884502$gmane$org@goop.org>
2008-10-01 20:03   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 20:08     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]     ` <48E3D8A8.604__13396.6479487301$1222891831$gmane$org@goop.org>
2008-10-01 21:03       ` Anthony Liguori

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