From: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
To: "Michael.Karcher" <Michael.Karcher@fu-berlin.de>,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>,
Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
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linux-xtensa@linux-xtensa.org,
Michael Karcher <kernel@mkarcher.dialup.fu-berlin.de>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Subject: Re: Calculating array sizes in C - was: Re: Build regressions/improvements in v6.2-rc1
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 21:31:21 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0f51dac4-836b-0ff2-38c6-5521745c1c88@landley.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1732342f-49fe-c20e-b877-bc0a340e1a50@fu-berlin.de>
On 1/19/23 16:11, Michael.Karcher wrote:
> Isn't this supposed to be caught by this check:
>>>>
>>>> a, __same_type(a, NULL)
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>
>>> Yeah, but gcc thinks it is smarter than us...
>>> Probably it drops the test, assuming UB cannot happen.
>> Hmm, sounds like a GGC bug to me then. Not sure how to fix this then.
>
>
> I don't see a clear bug at this point. We are talking about the C expression
>
> __same_type((void*)0, (void*)0)? 0 : sizeof((void*)0)/sizeof(*((void*0))
*(void*) is type "void" which does not have a size.
The problem is gcc "optimizing out" an earlier type check, the same way it
"optimizes out" checks for signed integer math overflowing, or "optimizes out" a
comparison to pointers from two different local variables from different
function calls trying to calculate the amount of stack used, or "optimizes out"
using char *x = (char *)1; as a flag value and then doing "if (!(x-1)) because
it can "never happen"...
> I suggest to file a bug against gcc complaining about a "spurious
> warning", and using "-Werror -Wno-error-sizeof-pointer-div" until gcc is
> adapted to not emit the warning about the pointer division if the result
> is not used.
Remember when gcc got rewritten in c++ starting in 2007?
Historically the main marketing push of C++ was that it contains the whole of C
and therefore MUST be just as good a language, the same way a mud pie contains
an entire glass of water and therefore MUST be just as good a beverage. Anything
C can do that C++ _can't_ do is seen as an existential threat by C++ developers.
They've worked dilligently to "fix" C not being a giant pile of "undefined
behavior" the way C++ is for 15 years now.
I have... opinions on this.
> Regards,
> Michael Karcher
Rob
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-01-20 3:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-12-25 22:07 Linux 6.2-rc1 Linus Torvalds
2022-12-26 19:52 ` Guenter Roeck
2022-12-26 20:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-12-26 21:03 ` Kees Cook
2022-12-26 22:10 ` Guenter Roeck
2022-12-27 0:29 ` Guenter Roeck
2022-12-27 1:32 ` Kees Cook
2022-12-27 5:52 ` Guenter Roeck
2022-12-28 3:40 ` Kees Cook
2022-12-28 14:44 ` Guenter Roeck
2023-01-07 0:06 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2022-12-26 22:41 ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-12-26 21:10 ` Max Filippov
2022-12-26 22:08 ` Guenter Roeck
2022-12-27 8:29 ` Build regressions/improvements in v6.2-rc1 Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-12-27 8:35 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-01-01 1:33 ` Rob Landley
2023-01-01 12:24 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-01-04 6:32 ` Michael Ellerman
2023-01-06 15:10 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-01-06 15:17 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-01-06 15:18 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-01-17 16:42 ` Calculating array sizes in C - was: " John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-01-17 17:01 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-01-17 17:06 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-01-17 20:05 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-01-17 20:37 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-01-19 22:11 ` Michael.Karcher
2023-01-20 3:31 ` Rob Landley [this message]
2023-01-20 10:53 ` Segher Boessenkool
2023-01-20 18:29 ` Michael.Karcher
2023-01-20 8:49 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-01-20 19:29 ` Michael Karcher
2023-01-21 21:26 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-01-06 15:39 ` Alex Deucher
2023-01-04 19:01 ` Linux 6.2-rc1 Pali Rohár
2023-01-04 19:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-01-04 20:56 ` Pali Rohár
2023-01-04 21:27 ` Pali Rohár
2023-01-04 21:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-01-04 21:43 ` Jens Axboe
2023-01-05 11:25 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-01-05 15:26 ` Jens Axboe
2023-01-05 17:42 ` Pali Rohár
2023-01-05 17:45 ` Jens Axboe
2023-01-05 19:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-01-05 19:22 ` Pali Rohár
2023-01-05 19:40 ` Jens Axboe
2023-01-05 20:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-01-05 20:33 ` Jens Axboe
2023-01-06 16:58 ` Pali Rohár
2023-01-06 17:04 ` Jens Axboe
2023-01-28 19:34 ` pktcdvd Pali Rohár
2023-01-28 19:43 ` pktcdvd Linus Torvalds
2023-01-29 21:53 ` pktcdvd Jens Axboe
2023-01-29 21:55 ` pktcdvd Jens Axboe
2023-01-29 22:21 ` pktcdvd Pali Rohár
2023-01-29 22:34 ` pktcdvd Jens Axboe
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