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From: John Stoffel <stoffel@casc.com>
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Tom Sightler <ttsig@tuxyturvy.com>,
	Linux-Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: 2.4.6-pre2, pre3 VM Behavior
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:10:20 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <15144.54236.903016.433760@gargle.gargle.HOWL> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <01061410474103.00879@starship>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0106140013000.14934-100000@imladris.rielhome.conectiva> <01061410474103.00879@starship>


>> The file _could_ be a temporary file, which gets removed before
>> we'd get around to writing it to disk. Sure, the chances of this
>> happening with a single file are close to zero, but having 100MB
>> from 200 different temp files on a shell server isn't unreasonable
>> to expect.

Daniel> This still doesn't make sense if the disk bandwidth isn't
Daniel> being used.

And can't you tell that a certain percentage of buffers are owned by a
single file/process?  It would seem that a simple metric of

       if ##% of the buffer/cache is used by 1 process/file, start
       writing the file out to disk, even if there is no pressure.

might to the trick to handle this case.  

>> Maybe we should just see if anything in the first few MB of
>> inactive pages was freeable, limiting the first scan to something
>> like 1 or maybe even 5 MB maximum (freepages.min?  freepages.high?)
>> and flushing as soon as we find more unfreeable pages than that ?

Daniel> For file-backed pages what we want is pretty simple: when 1)
Daniel> disk bandwidth is less than xx% used 2) memory pressure is
Daniel> moderate, just submit whatever's dirty.  As pressure increases
Daniel> and bandwidth gets loaded up (including read traffic) leave
Daniel> things on the inactive list longer to allow more chances for
Daniel> combining and better clustering decisions.

Would it also be good to say that pressure should increase as the
buffer.free percentage goes down?  It won't stop you from filling the
buffer, but it should at least start pushing out pages to disk
earlier.  

John
   John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Lucent Technologies
	 stoffel@lucent.com - http://www.lucent.com - 978-952-7548

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-06-14 15:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-06-13 19:31 2.4.6-pre2, pre3 VM Behavior Tom Sightler
2001-06-13 20:21 ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-14  1:49   ` Tom Sightler
2001-06-14  3:16     ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-14  7:59       ` Laramie Leavitt
2001-06-14  9:24         ` Helge Hafting
2001-06-14 17:38           ` Mark Hahn
2001-06-15  8:27             ` Helge Hafting
2001-06-14  8:47       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-14 20:23         ` Roger Larsson
2001-06-15  6:04           ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-14 20:39         ` John Stoffel
2001-06-14 20:51           ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-14 21:33           ` John Stoffel
2001-06-14 22:23             ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-15 15:23           ` spindown [was Re: 2.4.6-pre2, pre3 VM Behavior] Pavel Machek
2001-06-16 20:50             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-16 21:06               ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-16 21:25                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-16 21:44                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-16 21:54                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-17 10:28                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-17 10:05                   ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-17 12:49                     ` (lkml)Re: " thunder7
2001-06-17 16:40                       ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-18 14:22                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-19  4:35                       ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-20  1:50                       ` [RFC] Early flush (was: spindown) Daniel Phillips
2001-06-20 20:58                         ` Tom Sightler
2001-06-20 22:09                           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-24  3:20                           ` Anuradha Ratnaweera
2001-06-24 11:14                             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-24 15:06                             ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-24 16:21                               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-20  4:39                       ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-20 14:29                         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-20 16:12                         ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-22 23:25                           ` Daniel Kobras
2001-06-23  5:10                             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-25 11:33                               ` Pavel Machek
2001-06-25 11:31                           ` Pavel Machek
2001-06-18 20:21             ` spindown Simon Huggins
2001-06-19 10:46               ` spindown Pavel Machek
2001-06-20 16:52                 ` spindown Daniel Phillips
2001-06-20 17:32                   ` spindown Rik van Riel
2001-06-20 18:00                     ` spindown Daniel Phillips
2001-06-21 16:07                 ` spindown Jamie Lokier
2001-06-22 22:09                   ` spindown Daniel Kobras
2001-06-28  0:27                   ` spindown Troy Benjegerdes
2001-06-14 15:10       ` John Stoffel [this message]
2001-06-14 18:25         ` 2.4.6-pre2, pre3 VM Behavior Daniel Phillips
2001-06-14  8:30   ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.10.10106140024230.980-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2001-06-14  2:08 ` Tom Sightler

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