From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>
Cc: Daniel Kobras <kobras@tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de>,
Richard Gooch <rgooch@ras.ucalgary.ca>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>, Mike Galbraith <mikeg@wen-online.de>,
Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>, John Stoffel <stoffel@casc.com>,
Roger Larsson <roger.larsson@norran.net>,
thunder7@xs4all.nl, Linux-Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Early flush (was: spindown)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 13:33:49 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010625133349.B21253@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0106171156410.318-100000@mikeg.weiden.de> <200106201612.f5KGCca06372@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca> <20010623012550.B415@pelks01.extern.uni-tuebingen.de> <01062307104500.00430@starship>
In-Reply-To: <01062307104500.00430@starship>; from phillips@bonn-fries.net on Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 07:10:45AM +0200
Hi!
> > > > I'd like that too, but what about sync writes? As things stand now,
> > > > there is no option but to spin the disk back up. To get around this
> > > > we'd have to change the basic behavior of the block device and
> > > > that's doable, but it's an entirely different proposition than the
> > > > little patch above.
> > >
> > > I don't care as much about sync writes. They don't seem to happen very
> > > often on my boxes.
> >
> > syslog and some editors are the most common users of sync writes. vim,
> > e.g., per default keeps fsync()ing its swapfile. Tweaking the configuration
> > of these apps, this can be prevented fairly easy though. Changing sync
> > semantics for this matter on the other hand seems pretty awkward to me. I'd
> > expect an application calling fsync() to have good reason for having its
> > data flushed to disk _now_, no matter what state the disk happens to be in.
> > If it hasn't, fix the app, not the kernel.
>
> But apps shouldn't have to know about the special requirements of
> laptops.
If app does fsync(), it hopefully knows what it is doing. [Random apps
should not really do sync even on normal systems -- it hurts
performance.]
Pavel
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-06-25 11:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-06-13 19:31 2.4.6-pre2, pre3 VM Behavior Tom Sightler
2001-06-13 20:21 ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-14 1:49 ` Tom Sightler
2001-06-14 3:16 ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-14 7:59 ` Laramie Leavitt
2001-06-14 9:24 ` Helge Hafting
2001-06-14 17:38 ` Mark Hahn
2001-06-15 8:27 ` Helge Hafting
2001-06-14 8:47 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-14 20:23 ` Roger Larsson
2001-06-15 6:04 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-14 20:39 ` John Stoffel
2001-06-14 20:51 ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-14 21:33 ` John Stoffel
2001-06-14 22:23 ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-15 15:23 ` spindown [was Re: 2.4.6-pre2, pre3 VM Behavior] Pavel Machek
2001-06-16 20:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-16 21:06 ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-16 21:25 ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-16 21:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-16 21:54 ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-17 10:28 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-17 10:05 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-17 12:49 ` (lkml)Re: " thunder7
2001-06-17 16:40 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-18 14:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-19 4:35 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-20 1:50 ` [RFC] Early flush (was: spindown) Daniel Phillips
2001-06-20 20:58 ` Tom Sightler
2001-06-20 22:09 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-24 3:20 ` Anuradha Ratnaweera
2001-06-24 11:14 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-24 15:06 ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-24 16:21 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-20 4:39 ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-20 14:29 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-20 16:12 ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-22 23:25 ` Daniel Kobras
2001-06-23 5:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-25 11:33 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2001-06-25 11:31 ` Pavel Machek
2001-06-18 20:21 ` spindown Simon Huggins
2001-06-19 10:46 ` spindown Pavel Machek
2001-06-20 16:52 ` spindown Daniel Phillips
2001-06-20 17:32 ` spindown Rik van Riel
2001-06-20 18:00 ` spindown Daniel Phillips
2001-06-21 16:07 ` spindown Jamie Lokier
2001-06-22 22:09 ` spindown Daniel Kobras
2001-06-28 0:27 ` spindown Troy Benjegerdes
2001-06-14 15:10 ` 2.4.6-pre2, pre3 VM Behavior John Stoffel
2001-06-14 18:25 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-14 8:30 ` Mike Galbraith
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