From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Srikar Dronamraju <srikar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli <ananth@in.ibm.com>,
Anton Arapov <anton@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] brw_mutex: big read-write mutex
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 18:59:02 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121017165902.GB9872@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwV-WOUx8MSr145f+HSrtmZ=nXHq0VLhtPyH=FNBFwmQg@mail.gmail.com>
On 10/16, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
> > This patch adds the new sleeping lock, brw_mutex. Unlike rw_semaphore
> > it allows multiple writers too, just "read" and "write" are mutually
> > exclusive.
>
> So those semantics just don't sound sane. It's also not what any kind
> of normal "rw" lock ever does.
Yes, this is not usual.
And initially I made brw_sem which allows only 1 writer, but then
I changed this patch.
> So can you explain why these particular insane semantics are useful,
> and what for?
To allow multiple uprobe_register/unregister at the same time. Mostly
to not add the "regression", currently this is possible.
It is not that I think this is terribly important, but still. And
personally I think that "multiple writers" is not necessarily insane
in general. Suppose you have the complex object/subsystem, the readers
can use a single brw_mutex to access it "lockless", start_read() is
very cheap.
But start_write() is slow. Multiple writes can use the fine-grained
inside the start_write/end_write section and do not block each other.
Oleg.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-10-17 16:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-10-15 19:09 [RFC PATCH 0/2] uprobes: register/unregister can race with fork Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-15 19:10 ` [PATCH 1/2] brw_mutex: big read-write mutex Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-15 23:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-16 15:56 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-16 18:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-17 16:37 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-17 22:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-16 19:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-17 16:59 ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2012-10-17 22:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-18 16:24 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-18 16:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-18 17:57 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-18 19:28 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-19 12:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-19 15:32 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-19 17:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-19 17:57 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-19 22:54 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 3:08 ` Dave Chinner
2012-10-25 14:09 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-25 23:40 ` Dave Chinner
2012-10-26 12:06 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-26 13:22 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-26 14:12 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-26 15:23 ` mark_files_ro && sb_end_write Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-26 16:09 ` [PATCH 1/2] brw_mutex: big read-write mutex Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-19 17:49 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-22 23:09 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-23 15:12 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-19 19:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-22 23:36 ` [PATCH 0/2] fix and improvements for percpu-rw-semaphores (was: brw_mutex: big read-write mutex) Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-22 23:37 ` [PATCH 1/2] percpu-rw-semaphores: use light/heavy barriers Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-22 23:39 ` [PATCH 2/2] percpu-rw-semaphores: use rcu_read_lock_sched Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 16:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-24 17:18 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-24 18:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-24 18:43 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-24 19:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-25 14:54 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-25 15:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-25 16:15 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-23 16:59 ` [PATCH 1/2] percpu-rw-semaphores: use light/heavy barriers Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 18:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-23 18:27 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 18:41 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 20:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-23 20:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-23 21:39 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 16:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-24 20:22 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 20:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-24 20:44 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 23:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-25 12:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-25 13:48 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-23 19:23 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 20:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-23 20:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-24 15:11 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 21:26 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-23 20:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-30 18:48 ` [PATCH 0/2] fix and improvements for percpu-rw-semaphores (was: brw_mutex: big read-write mutex) Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-31 19:41 ` [PATCH 0/1] percpu_rw_semaphore: reimplement to not block the readers unnecessarily Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-31 19:41 ` [PATCH 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-01 15:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-01 15:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-02 18:06 ` [PATCH v2 0/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-02 18:06 ` [PATCH v2 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-07 17:04 ` [PATCH v3 " Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-07 17:47 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-07 19:17 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-08 13:42 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-08 1:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-08 1:16 ` [PATCH v2 " Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-08 13:33 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-08 16:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-08 13:48 ` [PATCH RESEND v2 0/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-08 13:48 ` [PATCH RESEND v2 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-08 20:07 ` Andrew Morton
2012-11-08 21:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-08 23:41 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-09 0:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-09 3:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-09 16:35 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-09 16:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-09 12:47 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-09 15:46 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-09 17:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-09 18:10 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-09 18:19 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-10 0:55 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-11 15:45 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-12 18:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-11 18:27 ` [PATCH -mm] percpu_rw_semaphore-reimplement-to-not-block-the-readers-unnecessari ly.fix Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-12 18:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-16 23:22 ` Andrew Morton
2012-11-18 19:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-01 15:43 ` [PATCH 1/1] percpu_rw_semaphore: reimplement to not block the readers unnecessarily Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-01 18:33 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-02 16:18 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-15 19:10 ` [PATCH 2/2] uprobes: Use brw_mutex to fix register/unregister vs dup_mmap() race Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-18 7:03 ` Srikar Dronamraju
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