From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Srikar Dronamraju <srikar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli <ananth@in.ibm.com>,
Anton Arapov <anton@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND v2 1/1] percpu_rw_semaphore: reimplement to not block the readers unnecessarily
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:38:14 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121112183814.GF2518@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121111154509.GA15652@redhat.com>
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 04:45:09PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 11/09, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 07:10:48PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > >
> > > static bool xxx(brw)
> > > {
> > > down_write(&brw->rw_sem);
> >
> > down_write_trylock()
> >
> > As you noted in your later email. Presumably you return false if
> > the attempt to acquire it fails.
>
> Yes, yes, thanks.
>
> > > But first we should do other changes, I think. IMHO we should not do
> > > synchronize_sched() under mutex_lock() and this will add (a bit) more
> > > complications. We will see.
> >
> > Indeed, that does put considerable delay on the writers. There is always
> > synchronize_sched_expedited(), I suppose.
>
> I am not sure about synchronize_sched_expedited() (at least unconditionally),
> but: only the 1st down_write() needs synchronize_, and up_write() do not
> need to sleep in synchronize_ at all.
>
> To simplify, lets ignore the fact that the writers need to serialize with
> each other. IOW, the pseudo-code below is obviously deadly wrong and racy,
> just to illustrate the idea.
>
> 1. We remove brw->writer_mutex and add "atomic_t writers_ctr".
>
> update_fast_ctr() uses atomic_read(brw->writers_ctr) == 0 instead
> of !mutex_is_locked().
>
> 2. down_write() does
>
> if (atomic_add_return(brw->writers_ctr) == 1) {
> // first writer
> synchronize_sched();
> ...
> } else {
> ... XXX: wait for percpu_up_write() from the first writer ...
> }
>
> 3. up_write() does
>
> if (atomic_dec_unless_one(brw->writers_ctr)) {
> ... wake up XXX writers above ...
> return;
> } else {
> // the last writer
> call_rcu_sched( func => { atomic_dec(brw->writers_ctr) } );
> }
Agreed, an asynchronous callback can be used to switch the readers
back onto the fastpath. Of course, as you say, getting it all working
will require some care. ;-)
> Once again, this all is racy, but hopefully the idea is clear:
>
> - down_write(brw) sleeps in synchronize_sched() only if brw
> has already switched back to fast-path-mode
>
> - up_write() never sleeps in synchronize_sched(), it uses
> call_rcu_sched() or wakes up the next writer.
>
> Of course I am not sure this all worth the trouble, this should be discussed.
> (and, cough, I'd like to add the multi-writers mode which I'm afraid nobody
> will like) But I am not going to even try to do this until the current patch
> is applied, I need it to fix the bug in uprobes and I think the current code
> is "good enough". These changes can't help to speedup the readers, and the
> writers are slow/rare anyway.
Probably best to wait for multi-writers until there is a measurable need,
to be sure! ;-)
Thanx, Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-11-12 18:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-10-15 19:09 [RFC PATCH 0/2] uprobes: register/unregister can race with fork Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-15 19:10 ` [PATCH 1/2] brw_mutex: big read-write mutex Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-15 23:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-16 15:56 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-16 18:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-17 16:37 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-17 22:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-16 19:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-17 16:59 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-17 22:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-18 16:24 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-18 16:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-18 17:57 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-18 19:28 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-19 12:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-19 15:32 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-19 17:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-19 17:57 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-19 22:54 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 3:08 ` Dave Chinner
2012-10-25 14:09 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-25 23:40 ` Dave Chinner
2012-10-26 12:06 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-26 13:22 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-26 14:12 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-26 15:23 ` mark_files_ro && sb_end_write Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-26 16:09 ` [PATCH 1/2] brw_mutex: big read-write mutex Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-19 17:49 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-22 23:09 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-23 15:12 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-19 19:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-22 23:36 ` [PATCH 0/2] fix and improvements for percpu-rw-semaphores (was: brw_mutex: big read-write mutex) Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-22 23:37 ` [PATCH 1/2] percpu-rw-semaphores: use light/heavy barriers Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-22 23:39 ` [PATCH 2/2] percpu-rw-semaphores: use rcu_read_lock_sched Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 16:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-24 17:18 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-24 18:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-24 18:43 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-24 19:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-25 14:54 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-25 15:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-25 16:15 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-23 16:59 ` [PATCH 1/2] percpu-rw-semaphores: use light/heavy barriers Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 18:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-23 18:27 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 18:41 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 20:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-23 20:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-23 21:39 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 16:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-24 20:22 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 20:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-24 20:44 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 23:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-25 12:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-25 13:48 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-23 19:23 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 20:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-23 20:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-24 15:11 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 21:26 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-23 20:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-30 18:48 ` [PATCH 0/2] fix and improvements for percpu-rw-semaphores (was: brw_mutex: big read-write mutex) Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-31 19:41 ` [PATCH 0/1] percpu_rw_semaphore: reimplement to not block the readers unnecessarily Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-31 19:41 ` [PATCH 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-01 15:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-01 15:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-02 18:06 ` [PATCH v2 0/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-02 18:06 ` [PATCH v2 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-07 17:04 ` [PATCH v3 " Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-07 17:47 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-07 19:17 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-08 13:42 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-08 1:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-08 1:16 ` [PATCH v2 " Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-08 13:33 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-08 16:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-08 13:48 ` [PATCH RESEND v2 0/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-08 13:48 ` [PATCH RESEND v2 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-08 20:07 ` Andrew Morton
2012-11-08 21:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-08 23:41 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-09 0:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-09 3:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-09 16:35 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-09 16:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-09 12:47 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-09 15:46 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-09 17:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-09 18:10 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-09 18:19 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-10 0:55 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-11 15:45 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-12 18:38 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2012-11-11 18:27 ` [PATCH -mm] percpu_rw_semaphore-reimplement-to-not-block-the-readers-unnecessari ly.fix Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-12 18:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-16 23:22 ` Andrew Morton
2012-11-18 19:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-01 15:43 ` [PATCH 1/1] percpu_rw_semaphore: reimplement to not block the readers unnecessarily Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-01 18:33 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-02 16:18 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-15 19:10 ` [PATCH 2/2] uprobes: Use brw_mutex to fix register/unregister vs dup_mmap() race Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-18 7:03 ` Srikar Dronamraju
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