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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Srikar Dronamraju <srikar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli <ananth@in.ibm.com>,
	Anton Arapov <anton@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND v2 1/1] percpu_rw_semaphore: reimplement to not block the readers unnecessarily
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:38:14 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121112183814.GF2518@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121111154509.GA15652@redhat.com>

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 04:45:09PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 11/09, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 07:10:48PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > >
> > > 	static bool xxx(brw)
> > > 	{
> > > 		down_write(&brw->rw_sem);
> >
> > 		down_write_trylock()
> >
> > As you noted in your later email.  Presumably you return false if
> > the attempt to acquire it fails.
> 
> Yes, yes, thanks.
> 
> > > But first we should do other changes, I think. IMHO we should not do
> > > synchronize_sched() under mutex_lock() and this will add (a bit) more
> > > complications. We will see.
> >
> > Indeed, that does put considerable delay on the writers.  There is always
> > synchronize_sched_expedited(), I suppose.
> 
> I am not sure about synchronize_sched_expedited() (at least unconditionally),
> but: only the 1st down_write() needs  synchronize_, and up_write() do not
> need to sleep in synchronize_ at all.
> 
> To simplify, lets ignore the fact that the writers need to serialize with
> each other. IOW, the pseudo-code below is obviously deadly wrong and racy,
> just to illustrate the idea.
> 
> 1. We remove brw->writer_mutex and add "atomic_t writers_ctr".
> 
>    update_fast_ctr() uses atomic_read(brw->writers_ctr) == 0 instead
>    of !mutex_is_locked().
> 
> 2. down_write() does
> 
> 	if (atomic_add_return(brw->writers_ctr) == 1) {
> 		// first writer
> 		synchronize_sched();
> 		...
> 	} else {
> 		... XXX: wait for percpu_up_write() from the first writer ...
> 	}
> 
> 3. up_write() does
> 
> 	if (atomic_dec_unless_one(brw->writers_ctr)) {
> 		... wake up XXX writers above ...
> 		return;
> 	} else {
> 		// the last writer
> 		call_rcu_sched( func => { atomic_dec(brw->writers_ctr) } );
> 	}

Agreed, an asynchronous callback can be used to switch the readers
back onto the fastpath.  Of course, as you say, getting it all working
will require some care.  ;-)

> Once again, this all is racy, but hopefully the idea is clear:
> 
> 	- down_write(brw) sleeps in synchronize_sched() only if brw
> 	  has already switched back to fast-path-mode
> 
> 	- up_write() never sleeps in synchronize_sched(), it uses
> 	  call_rcu_sched() or wakes up the next writer.
> 
> Of course I am not sure this all worth the trouble, this should be discussed.
> (and, cough, I'd like to add the multi-writers mode which I'm afraid nobody
> will like) But I am not going to even try to do this until the current patch
> is applied, I need it to fix the bug in uprobes and I think the current code
> is "good enough". These changes can't help to speedup the readers, and the
> writers are slow/rare anyway.

Probably best to wait for multi-writers until there is a measurable need,
to be sure!  ;-)

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-12 18:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-15 19:09 [RFC PATCH 0/2] uprobes: register/unregister can race with fork Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-15 19:10 ` [PATCH 1/2] brw_mutex: big read-write mutex Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-15 23:28   ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-16 15:56     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-16 18:58       ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-17 16:37         ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-17 22:28           ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-16 19:56   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-17 16:59     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-17 22:44       ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-18 16:24         ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-18 16:38           ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-18 17:57             ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-18 19:28               ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-19 12:38                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-19 15:32                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-19 17:40                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-19 17:57                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-19 22:54                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24  3:08                         ` Dave Chinner
2012-10-25 14:09                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-25 23:40                             ` Dave Chinner
2012-10-26 12:06                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-26 13:22                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-26 14:12                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-26 15:23                                     ` mark_files_ro && sb_end_write Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-26 16:09                                     ` [PATCH 1/2] brw_mutex: big read-write mutex Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-19 17:49                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-22 23:09                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-23 15:12                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-19 19:28               ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-22 23:36                 ` [PATCH 0/2] fix and improvements for percpu-rw-semaphores (was: brw_mutex: big read-write mutex) Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-22 23:37                   ` [PATCH 1/2] percpu-rw-semaphores: use light/heavy barriers Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-22 23:39                     ` [PATCH 2/2] percpu-rw-semaphores: use rcu_read_lock_sched Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 16:16                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-24 17:18                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-24 18:20                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-24 18:43                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-24 19:43                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-25 14:54                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-25 15:07                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-25 16:15                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-23 16:59                     ` [PATCH 1/2] percpu-rw-semaphores: use light/heavy barriers Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 18:05                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-23 18:27                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 18:41                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 20:29                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-23 20:32                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-23 21:39                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 16:23                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-24 20:22                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 20:36                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-24 20:44                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 23:57                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-25 12:39                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-25 13:48                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-23 19:23                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 20:45                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-23 20:57                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-24 15:11                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 21:26                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-23 20:32                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-30 18:48                   ` [PATCH 0/2] fix and improvements for percpu-rw-semaphores (was: brw_mutex: big read-write mutex) Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-31 19:41                     ` [PATCH 0/1] percpu_rw_semaphore: reimplement to not block the readers unnecessarily Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-31 19:41                       ` [PATCH 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-01 15:10                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-01 15:34                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-02 18:06                           ` [PATCH v2 0/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-02 18:06                             ` [PATCH v2 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-07 17:04                               ` [PATCH v3 " Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-07 17:47                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-07 19:17                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-08 13:42                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-08  1:23                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-08  1:16                               ` [PATCH v2 " Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-08 13:33                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-08 16:27                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-08 13:48                             ` [PATCH RESEND v2 0/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-08 13:48                               ` [PATCH RESEND v2 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-08 20:07                                 ` Andrew Morton
2012-11-08 21:08                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-08 23:41                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-09  0:41                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-09  3:23                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-09 16:35                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-09 16:59                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-09 12:47                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-09 15:46                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-09 17:01                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-09 18:10                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-09 18:19                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-10  0:55                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-11 15:45                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-12 18:38                                             ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2012-11-11 18:27                                   ` [PATCH -mm] percpu_rw_semaphore-reimplement-to-not-block-the-readers-unnecessari ly.fix Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-12 18:31                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-16 23:22                                     ` Andrew Morton
2012-11-18 19:32                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-01 15:43                         ` [PATCH 1/1] percpu_rw_semaphore: reimplement to not block the readers unnecessarily Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-01 18:33                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-02 16:18                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-15 19:10 ` [PATCH 2/2] uprobes: Use brw_mutex to fix register/unregister vs dup_mmap() race Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-18  7:03   ` Srikar Dronamraju

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