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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Srikar Dronamraju <srikar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli <ananth@in.ibm.com>,
	Anton Arapov <anton@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] brw_mutex: big read-write mutex
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 19:57:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121018175747.GA30691@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121018163833.GK2518@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On 10/18, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 06:24:09PM +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> >
> > I thought that you meant that without mb() brw_start_write() can
> > race with brw_end_read() and hang forever.
> >
> > But probably you meant that we need the barriers to ensure that,
> > say, if the reader does
> >
> > 	brw_start_read();
> > 	CONDITION = 1;
> > 	brw_end_read();
> >
> > then the writer must see CONDITION != 0 after brw_start_write() ?
> > (or vice-versa)
>
> Yes, this is exactly my concern.

Oh, thanks at lot Paul (as always).

> > In this case we need the barrier, yes. Obviously brw_start_write()
> > can return right after this_cpu_dec() and before wake_up_all().
> >
> > 2/2 doesn't need this guarantee but I agree, this doesn't look
> > sane in gerenal...
>
> Or name it something not containing "lock".  And clearly document
> the behavior and how it is to be used.  ;-)

this would be insane, I guess ;)

So. Ignoring the possible optimization you mentioned before,
brw_end_read() should do:

	smp_mb();
	this_cpu_dec();

	wake_up_all();

And yes, we need the full mb(). wmb() is enough to ensure that the
writer will see the memory modifications done by the reader. But we
also need to ensure that any LOAD inside start_read/end_read can not
be moved outside of the critical section.

But we should also ensure that "read" will see all modifications
which were done under start_write/end_write. This means that
brw_end_write() needs another synchronize_sched() before
atomic_dec_and_test(), or brw_start_read() needs mb() in the
fast-path.

Correct?



Ooooh. And I just noticed include/linux/percpu-rwsem.h which does
something similar. Certainly it was not in my tree when I started
this patch... percpu_down_write() doesn't allow multiple writers,
but the main problem it uses msleep(1). It should not, I think.

But. It seems that percpu_up_write() is equally wrong? Doesn't
it need synchronize_rcu() before "p->locked = false" ?

(add Mikulas)

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-18 17:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-15 19:09 [RFC PATCH 0/2] uprobes: register/unregister can race with fork Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-15 19:10 ` [PATCH 1/2] brw_mutex: big read-write mutex Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-15 23:28   ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-16 15:56     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-16 18:58       ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-17 16:37         ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-17 22:28           ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-16 19:56   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-17 16:59     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-17 22:44       ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-18 16:24         ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-18 16:38           ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-18 17:57             ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2012-10-18 19:28               ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-19 12:38                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-19 15:32                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-19 17:40                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-19 17:57                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-19 22:54                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24  3:08                         ` Dave Chinner
2012-10-25 14:09                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-25 23:40                             ` Dave Chinner
2012-10-26 12:06                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-26 13:22                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-26 14:12                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-26 15:23                                     ` mark_files_ro && sb_end_write Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-26 16:09                                     ` [PATCH 1/2] brw_mutex: big read-write mutex Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-19 17:49                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-22 23:09                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-23 15:12                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-19 19:28               ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-22 23:36                 ` [PATCH 0/2] fix and improvements for percpu-rw-semaphores (was: brw_mutex: big read-write mutex) Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-22 23:37                   ` [PATCH 1/2] percpu-rw-semaphores: use light/heavy barriers Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-22 23:39                     ` [PATCH 2/2] percpu-rw-semaphores: use rcu_read_lock_sched Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 16:16                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-24 17:18                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-24 18:20                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-24 18:43                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-24 19:43                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-25 14:54                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-25 15:07                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-25 16:15                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-23 16:59                     ` [PATCH 1/2] percpu-rw-semaphores: use light/heavy barriers Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 18:05                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-23 18:27                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 18:41                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 20:29                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-23 20:32                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-23 21:39                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 16:23                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-24 20:22                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 20:36                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-24 20:44                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 23:57                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-25 12:39                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-25 13:48                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-23 19:23                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 20:45                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-23 20:57                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-24 15:11                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 21:26                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-23 20:32                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-30 18:48                   ` [PATCH 0/2] fix and improvements for percpu-rw-semaphores (was: brw_mutex: big read-write mutex) Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-31 19:41                     ` [PATCH 0/1] percpu_rw_semaphore: reimplement to not block the readers unnecessarily Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-31 19:41                       ` [PATCH 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-01 15:10                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-01 15:34                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-02 18:06                           ` [PATCH v2 0/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-02 18:06                             ` [PATCH v2 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-07 17:04                               ` [PATCH v3 " Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-07 17:47                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-07 19:17                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-08 13:42                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-08  1:23                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-08  1:16                               ` [PATCH v2 " Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-08 13:33                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-08 16:27                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-08 13:48                             ` [PATCH RESEND v2 0/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-08 13:48                               ` [PATCH RESEND v2 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-08 20:07                                 ` Andrew Morton
2012-11-08 21:08                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-08 23:41                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-09  0:41                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-09  3:23                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-09 16:35                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-09 16:59                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-09 12:47                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-09 15:46                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-09 17:01                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-09 18:10                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-09 18:19                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-10  0:55                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-11 15:45                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-12 18:38                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-11 18:27                                   ` [PATCH -mm] percpu_rw_semaphore-reimplement-to-not-block-the-readers-unnecessari ly.fix Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-12 18:31                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-16 23:22                                     ` Andrew Morton
2012-11-18 19:32                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-01 15:43                         ` [PATCH 1/1] percpu_rw_semaphore: reimplement to not block the readers unnecessarily Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-01 18:33                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-02 16:18                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-15 19:10 ` [PATCH 2/2] uprobes: Use brw_mutex to fix register/unregister vs dup_mmap() race Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-18  7:03   ` Srikar Dronamraju

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