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From: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
To: Bart Van Assche <bart.vanassche@wdc.com>
Cc: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>,
	axboe@kernel.dk, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	dm-devel@redhat.com, linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [dm-devel] [PATCH v5] blk-mq: introduce BLK_STS_DEV_RESOURCE
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 10:14:51 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180131021450.GD2618@ming.t460p> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43ac2314-c98d-bb76-0dfb-171d15cc5fd8@wdc.com>

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 09:52:31AM -0800, Bart Van Assche wrote:
> On 01/30/18 06:24, Mike Snitzer wrote:
> > +		 *
> > +		 * If driver returns BLK_STS_RESOURCE and SCHED_RESTART
> > +		 * bit is set, run queue after a delay to avoid IO stalls
> > +		 * that could otherwise occur if the queue is idle.
> >   		 */
> > -		if (!blk_mq_sched_needs_restart(hctx) ||
> > +		needs_restart = blk_mq_sched_needs_restart(hctx);
> > +		if (!needs_restart ||
> >   		    (no_tag && list_empty_careful(&hctx->dispatch_wait.entry)))
> >   			blk_mq_run_hw_queue(hctx, true);
> > +		else if (needs_restart && (ret == BLK_STS_RESOURCE))
> > +			blk_mq_delay_run_hw_queue(hctx, BLK_MQ_QUEUE_DELAY);
> >   	}
> 
> If a request completes concurrently with execution of the above code then
> the request completion will trigger a call of blk_mq_sched_restart_hctx()
> and that call will clear the BLK_MQ_S_SCHED_RESTART bit. If that bit is
> cleared before the above code tests it then the above code will schedule an
> asynchronous call of __blk_mq_run_hw_queue(). If the .queue_rq() call

Right.

> triggered by the new queue run returns again BLK_STS_RESOURCE then the above
> code will be executed again. In other words, a loop occurs. That loop will

This patch doesn't change anything about that. When BLK_STS_RESOURCE is
returned, this request is added to hctx->dispatch, next time, before
dispatching this request, SCHED_RESTART is set and the loop is cut.

> repeat as long as the described race occurs. The current (kernel v4.15)
> block layer behavior is simpler: only block drivers call
> blk_mq_delay_run_hw_queue() and the block layer core never calls that
> function. Hence that loop cannot occur with the v4.15 block layer core and

That way isn't safe, I have explained to you in the following link:

	https://marc.info/?l=dm-devel&m=151727454815018&w=2

> block drivers. A motivation of why that loop is preferred compared to the
> current behavior (no loop) is missing. Does this mean that that loop is a
> needless complication of the block layer core?

No such loop as I explained above.

> 
> Sorry but I still prefer the v4.15 block layer approach because this patch
> has in my view the following disadvantages:
> - It involves a blk-mq API change. API changes are always risky and need
>   some time to stabilize.
> - The delay after which to rerun the queue is moved from block layer
>   drivers into the block layer core. I think that's wrong because only
>   the block driver authors can make a good choice for this constant.
> - This patch makes block drivers harder to understand. Anyone who sees
>   return BLK_STS_RESOURCE / return BLK_STS_DEV_RESOURCE for the first
>   time will have to look up the meaning of these constants. An explicit
>   blk_mq_delay_run_hw_queue() call is easier to understand.
> - This patch makes the blk-mq core harder to understand because of the
>   loop mentioned above.
> - This patch does not fix any bugs nor makes block drivers easier to
>   read or to implement. So why is this patch considered useful?

It does avoid the race I mentioned in the following link:

	https://marc.info/?l=dm-devel&m=151727454815018&w=2

More importantly, every driver need this change, if you have better idea
to fix them all, please post a patch, then we can compare both.

Thanks,
Ming

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From: ming.lei@redhat.com (Ming Lei)
Subject: [dm-devel] [PATCH v5] blk-mq: introduce BLK_STS_DEV_RESOURCE
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 10:14:51 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180131021450.GD2618@ming.t460p> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43ac2314-c98d-bb76-0dfb-171d15cc5fd8@wdc.com>

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018@09:52:31AM -0800, Bart Van Assche wrote:
> On 01/30/18 06:24, Mike Snitzer wrote:
> > +		 *
> > +		 * If driver returns BLK_STS_RESOURCE and SCHED_RESTART
> > +		 * bit is set, run queue after a delay to avoid IO stalls
> > +		 * that could otherwise occur if the queue is idle.
> >   		 */
> > -		if (!blk_mq_sched_needs_restart(hctx) ||
> > +		needs_restart = blk_mq_sched_needs_restart(hctx);
> > +		if (!needs_restart ||
> >   		    (no_tag && list_empty_careful(&hctx->dispatch_wait.entry)))
> >   			blk_mq_run_hw_queue(hctx, true);
> > +		else if (needs_restart && (ret == BLK_STS_RESOURCE))
> > +			blk_mq_delay_run_hw_queue(hctx, BLK_MQ_QUEUE_DELAY);
> >   	}
> 
> If a request completes concurrently with execution of the above code then
> the request completion will trigger a call of blk_mq_sched_restart_hctx()
> and that call will clear the BLK_MQ_S_SCHED_RESTART bit. If that bit is
> cleared before the above code tests it then the above code will schedule an
> asynchronous call of __blk_mq_run_hw_queue(). If the .queue_rq() call

Right.

> triggered by the new queue run returns again BLK_STS_RESOURCE then the above
> code will be executed again. In other words, a loop occurs. That loop will

This patch doesn't change anything about that. When BLK_STS_RESOURCE is
returned, this request is added to hctx->dispatch, next time, before
dispatching this request, SCHED_RESTART is set and the loop is cut.

> repeat as long as the described race occurs. The current (kernel v4.15)
> block layer behavior is simpler: only block drivers call
> blk_mq_delay_run_hw_queue() and the block layer core never calls that
> function. Hence that loop cannot occur with the v4.15 block layer core and

That way isn't safe, I have explained to you in the following link:

	https://marc.info/?l=dm-devel&m=151727454815018&w=2

> block drivers. A motivation of why that loop is preferred compared to the
> current behavior (no loop) is missing. Does this mean that that loop is a
> needless complication of the block layer core?

No such loop as I explained above.

> 
> Sorry but I still prefer the v4.15 block layer approach because this patch
> has in my view the following disadvantages:
> - It involves a blk-mq API change. API changes are always risky and need
>   some time to stabilize.
> - The delay after which to rerun the queue is moved from block layer
>   drivers into the block layer core. I think that's wrong because only
>   the block driver authors can make a good choice for this constant.
> - This patch makes block drivers harder to understand. Anyone who sees
>   return BLK_STS_RESOURCE / return BLK_STS_DEV_RESOURCE for the first
>   time will have to look up the meaning of these constants. An explicit
>   blk_mq_delay_run_hw_queue() call is easier to understand.
> - This patch makes the blk-mq core harder to understand because of the
>   loop mentioned above.
> - This patch does not fix any bugs nor makes block drivers easier to
>   read or to implement. So why is this patch considered useful?

It does avoid the race I mentioned in the following link:

	https://marc.info/?l=dm-devel&m=151727454815018&w=2

More importantly, every driver need this change, if you have better idea
to fix them all, please post a patch, then we can compare both.

Thanks,
Ming

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-01-31  2:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-30 14:24 [PATCH v5] blk-mq: introduce BLK_STS_DEV_RESOURCE Mike Snitzer
2018-01-30 14:24 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-30 17:52 ` [dm-devel] " Bart Van Assche
2018-01-30 17:52   ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-30 18:38   ` Laurence Oberman
2018-01-30 18:38     ` Laurence Oberman
2018-01-30 18:38     ` Laurence Oberman
2018-01-30 19:33   ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-30 19:33     ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-30 19:42     ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-30 19:42       ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-30 19:42       ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-30 20:12       ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-30 20:12         ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-31  2:14   ` Ming Lei [this message]
2018-01-31  2:14     ` [dm-devel] " Ming Lei
2018-01-31  3:17   ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-31  3:17     ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-31  3:21     ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-31  3:21       ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-31  3:21       ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-31  3:22       ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-31  3:22         ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-31  3:27         ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-31  3:27           ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-31  3:27           ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-31  3:31           ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-31  3:31             ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-31  3:33         ` Ming Lei
2018-01-31  3:33           ` Ming Lei
2018-01-31  3:33           ` Ming Lei
2018-01-31  2:44 ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-31  2:44   ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-31  3:04   ` [PATCH v6] " Mike Snitzer
2018-01-31  3:04     ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-31  3:18     ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-31  3:18       ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-31  3:07   ` [PATCH v5] " Mike Snitzer
2018-01-31  3:07     ` Mike Snitzer

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