From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
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Julien Thierry <julien.thierry.kdev@gmail.com>,
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Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
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Haibo Xu <Haibo.Xu@arm.com>, Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 0/2] MTE support for KVM guest
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 12:16:11 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201123121611.GG3022@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA85fiqA206FuFANKbV_3GkfY1F8Gv7MP58BgTT81bs9kA@mail.gmail.com>
* Peter Maydell (peter.maydell@linaro.org) wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 15:39, Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com> wrote:
> > This series adds support for Arm's Memory Tagging Extension (MTE) to
> > KVM, allowing KVM guests to make use of it. This builds on the existing
> > user space support already in v5.10-rc1, see [1] for an overview.
>
> > The change to require the VMM to map all guest memory PROT_MTE is
> > significant as it means that the VMM has to deal with the MTE tags even
> > if it doesn't care about them (e.g. for virtual devices or if the VMM
> > doesn't support migration). Also unfortunately because the VMM can
> > change the memory layout at any time the check for PROT_MTE/VM_MTE has
> > to be done very late (at the point of faulting pages into stage 2).
>
> I'm a bit dubious about requring the VMM to map the guest memory
> PROT_MTE unless somebody's done at least a sketch of the design
> for how this would work on the QEMU side. Currently QEMU just
> assumes the guest memory is guest memory and it can access it
> without special precautions...
Although that is also changing because of the encrypted/protected memory
in things like SEV.
Dave
> thanks
> -- PMM
>
--
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK
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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>, Haibo Xu <Haibo.Xu@arm.com>,
Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
Richard Henderson <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
lkml - Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>,
James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
arm-mail-list <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
kvmarm <kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu>,
Julien Thierry <julien.thierry.kdev@gmail.com>,
Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 0/2] MTE support for KVM guest
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 12:16:11 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201123121611.GG3022@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA85fiqA206FuFANKbV_3GkfY1F8Gv7MP58BgTT81bs9kA@mail.gmail.com>
* Peter Maydell (peter.maydell@linaro.org) wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 15:39, Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com> wrote:
> > This series adds support for Arm's Memory Tagging Extension (MTE) to
> > KVM, allowing KVM guests to make use of it. This builds on the existing
> > user space support already in v5.10-rc1, see [1] for an overview.
>
> > The change to require the VMM to map all guest memory PROT_MTE is
> > significant as it means that the VMM has to deal with the MTE tags even
> > if it doesn't care about them (e.g. for virtual devices or if the VMM
> > doesn't support migration). Also unfortunately because the VMM can
> > change the memory layout at any time the check for PROT_MTE/VM_MTE has
> > to be done very late (at the point of faulting pages into stage 2).
>
> I'm a bit dubious about requring the VMM to map the guest memory
> PROT_MTE unless somebody's done at least a sketch of the design
> for how this would work on the QEMU side. Currently QEMU just
> assumes the guest memory is guest memory and it can access it
> without special precautions...
Although that is also changing because of the encrypted/protected memory
in things like SEV.
Dave
> thanks
> -- PMM
>
--
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK
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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
Richard Henderson <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
lkml - Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>,
arm-mail-list <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
kvmarm <kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu>,
Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 0/2] MTE support for KVM guest
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 12:16:11 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201123121611.GG3022@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA85fiqA206FuFANKbV_3GkfY1F8Gv7MP58BgTT81bs9kA@mail.gmail.com>
* Peter Maydell (peter.maydell@linaro.org) wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 15:39, Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com> wrote:
> > This series adds support for Arm's Memory Tagging Extension (MTE) to
> > KVM, allowing KVM guests to make use of it. This builds on the existing
> > user space support already in v5.10-rc1, see [1] for an overview.
>
> > The change to require the VMM to map all guest memory PROT_MTE is
> > significant as it means that the VMM has to deal with the MTE tags even
> > if it doesn't care about them (e.g. for virtual devices or if the VMM
> > doesn't support migration). Also unfortunately because the VMM can
> > change the memory layout at any time the check for PROT_MTE/VM_MTE has
> > to be done very late (at the point of faulting pages into stage 2).
>
> I'm a bit dubious about requring the VMM to map the guest memory
> PROT_MTE unless somebody's done at least a sketch of the design
> for how this would work on the QEMU side. Currently QEMU just
> assumes the guest memory is guest memory and it can access it
> without special precautions...
Although that is also changing because of the encrypted/protected memory
in things like SEV.
Dave
> thanks
> -- PMM
>
--
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK
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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>, Haibo Xu <Haibo.Xu@arm.com>,
Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
Richard Henderson <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
lkml - Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>,
James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
arm-mail-list <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
kvmarm <kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu>,
Julien Thierry <julien.thierry.kdev@gmail.com>,
Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 0/2] MTE support for KVM guest
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 12:16:11 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201123121611.GG3022@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA85fiqA206FuFANKbV_3GkfY1F8Gv7MP58BgTT81bs9kA@mail.gmail.com>
* Peter Maydell (peter.maydell@linaro.org) wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 15:39, Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com> wrote:
> > This series adds support for Arm's Memory Tagging Extension (MTE) to
> > KVM, allowing KVM guests to make use of it. This builds on the existing
> > user space support already in v5.10-rc1, see [1] for an overview.
>
> > The change to require the VMM to map all guest memory PROT_MTE is
> > significant as it means that the VMM has to deal with the MTE tags even
> > if it doesn't care about them (e.g. for virtual devices or if the VMM
> > doesn't support migration). Also unfortunately because the VMM can
> > change the memory layout at any time the check for PROT_MTE/VM_MTE has
> > to be done very late (at the point of faulting pages into stage 2).
>
> I'm a bit dubious about requring the VMM to map the guest memory
> PROT_MTE unless somebody's done at least a sketch of the design
> for how this would work on the QEMU side. Currently QEMU just
> assumes the guest memory is guest memory and it can access it
> without special precautions...
Although that is also changing because of the encrypted/protected memory
in things like SEV.
Dave
> thanks
> -- PMM
>
--
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK
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2020-11-19 15:38 [PATCH v5 0/2] MTE support for KVM guest Steven Price
2020-11-19 15:38 ` Steven Price
2020-11-19 15:38 ` Steven Price
2020-11-19 15:38 ` Steven Price
2020-11-19 15:39 ` [PATCH v5 1/2] arm64: kvm: Save/restore MTE registers Steven Price
2020-11-19 15:39 ` Steven Price
2020-11-19 15:39 ` Steven Price
2020-11-19 15:39 ` Steven Price
2020-11-19 15:39 ` [PATCH v5 2/2] arm64: kvm: Introduce MTE VCPU feature Steven Price
2020-11-19 15:39 ` Steven Price
2020-11-19 15:39 ` Steven Price
2020-11-19 15:39 ` Steven Price
2020-11-19 15:45 ` [PATCH v5 0/2] MTE support for KVM guest Peter Maydell
2020-11-19 15:45 ` Peter Maydell
2020-11-19 15:45 ` Peter Maydell
2020-11-19 15:45 ` Peter Maydell
2020-11-19 15:57 ` Steven Price
2020-11-19 15:57 ` Steven Price
2020-11-19 15:57 ` Steven Price
2020-11-19 15:57 ` Steven Price
2020-11-19 16:39 ` Peter Maydell
2020-11-19 16:39 ` Peter Maydell
2020-11-19 16:39 ` Peter Maydell
2020-11-19 16:39 ` Peter Maydell
2020-11-19 18:42 ` Andrew Jones
2020-11-19 18:42 ` Andrew Jones
2020-11-19 18:42 ` Andrew Jones
2020-11-19 18:42 ` Andrew Jones
2020-11-19 19:11 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-11-19 19:11 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-11-19 19:11 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-11-19 19:11 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-11-20 9:50 ` Steven Price
2020-11-20 9:50 ` Steven Price
2020-11-20 9:50 ` Steven Price
2020-11-20 9:50 ` Steven Price
2020-11-20 9:56 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-11-20 9:56 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-11-20 9:56 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-11-20 9:56 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-11-20 9:58 ` Steven Price
2020-11-20 9:58 ` Steven Price
2020-11-20 9:58 ` Steven Price
2020-11-20 9:58 ` Steven Price
2020-12-04 8:25 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-04 8:25 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-04 8:25 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-04 8:25 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-07 14:48 ` Steven Price
2020-12-07 14:48 ` Steven Price
2020-12-07 14:48 ` Steven Price
2020-12-07 14:48 ` Steven Price
2020-12-07 15:27 ` Peter Maydell
2020-12-07 15:27 ` Peter Maydell
2020-12-07 15:27 ` Peter Maydell
2020-12-07 15:27 ` Peter Maydell
2020-12-07 15:45 ` Steven Price
2020-12-07 15:45 ` Steven Price
2020-12-07 15:45 ` Steven Price
2020-12-07 15:45 ` Steven Price
2020-12-07 16:05 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-07 16:05 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-07 16:05 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-07 16:05 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-07 16:34 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-07 16:34 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-07 16:34 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-07 16:34 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-07 19:03 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-07 19:03 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-07 19:03 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-07 19:03 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-08 17:21 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-08 17:21 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-08 17:21 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-08 17:21 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-08 18:21 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-08 18:21 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-08 18:21 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-08 18:21 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-09 12:44 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-09 12:44 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-09 12:44 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-09 12:44 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-09 13:25 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-09 13:25 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-09 13:25 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-09 13:25 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-09 15:27 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-09 15:27 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-09 15:27 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-09 15:27 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-09 18:27 ` Richard Henderson
2020-12-09 18:27 ` Richard Henderson
2020-12-09 18:27 ` Richard Henderson
2020-12-09 18:27 ` Richard Henderson
2020-12-09 18:39 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-09 18:39 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-09 18:39 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-09 18:39 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-09 20:13 ` Richard Henderson
2020-12-09 20:13 ` Richard Henderson
2020-12-09 20:13 ` Richard Henderson
2020-12-09 20:13 ` Richard Henderson
2020-12-09 20:20 ` Peter Maydell
2020-12-09 20:20 ` Peter Maydell
2020-12-09 20:20 ` Peter Maydell
2020-12-09 20:20 ` Peter Maydell
2020-12-07 16:44 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-12-07 16:44 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-12-07 16:44 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-12-07 16:44 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-12-07 17:10 ` Peter Maydell
2020-12-07 17:10 ` Peter Maydell
2020-12-07 17:10 ` Peter Maydell
2020-12-07 17:10 ` Peter Maydell
2020-12-07 17:44 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-12-07 17:44 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-12-07 17:44 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-12-07 17:44 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-12-08 10:05 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-08 10:05 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-08 10:05 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-08 10:05 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-08 9:51 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-08 9:51 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-08 9:51 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-08 9:51 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-08 10:01 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-08 10:01 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-08 10:01 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-08 10:01 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-08 10:10 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-08 10:10 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-08 10:10 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-08 10:10 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-16 7:31 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-16 7:31 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-16 7:31 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-16 7:31 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-16 10:22 ` Steven Price
2020-12-16 10:22 ` Steven Price
2020-12-16 10:22 ` Steven Price
2020-12-16 10:22 ` Steven Price
2020-12-17 1:47 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-17 1:47 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-17 1:47 ` Haibo Xu
2020-12-17 1:47 ` Haibo Xu
2020-11-23 12:16 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
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