From: Thomas Hellstrom <thellstrom@vmware.com>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Jerome Glisse <j.glisse@gmail.com>,
linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org,
Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
FUJITA Tomonori <fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] [RFC] ARM DMA mapping TODO, v1
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:50:12 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DBA5194.7080609@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1304036962.2513.202.camel@pasglop>
On 04/29/2011 02:29 AM, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 15:37 -0400, Jerome Glisse wrote:
>
>> Jesse also pointed out space exhaustion inside the iommu and i believe
>> this should also be considered. This is why i believe the dma_* api is
>> not well suited. In DRM/TTM we use pci_dma_mapping* and we also play
>> with with page set_page*_uc|wc|wb.
>>
> Which are yet another set of completely x86-centric APIs that have not
> been thought in the context of other architectures and are probably
> mostly unimplementables on half of them :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Ben.
>
>
>
I've been doing some thinking over the years on how we could extend that
functionality to other architectures. The reason we need those is
because some x86 processors (early AMDs and, I think VIA c3) dislike
multiple mappings of the same pages with conflicting caching attributes.
What we really want to be able to do is to unmap pages from the linear
kernel map, to avoid having to transition the linear kernel map every
time we change other mappings.
The reason we need to do this in the first place is that AGP and modern
GPUs has a fast mode where snooping is turned off.
However, we should be able to construct a completely generic api around
these operations, and for architectures that don't support them we need
to determine
a) Whether we want to support them anyway (IIRC the problem with PPC is
that the linear kernel map has huge tlb entries that are very
inefficient to break up?)
b) Whether they are needed at all on the particular architecture. The
Intel x86 spec is, (according to AMD), supposed to forbid conflicting
caching attributes, but the Intel graphics guys use them for GEM. PPC
appears not to need it.
c) If neither of the above applies, we might be able to either use
explicit cache flushes (which will require a TTM cache sync API), or
require the device to use snooping mode. The architecture may also
perhaps have a pool of write-combined pages that we can use. This should
be indicated by defines in the api header.
/Thomas
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From: thellstrom@vmware.com (Thomas Hellstrom)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [Linaro-mm-sig] [RFC] ARM DMA mapping TODO, v1
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:50:12 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DBA5194.7080609@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1304036962.2513.202.camel@pasglop>
On 04/29/2011 02:29 AM, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 15:37 -0400, Jerome Glisse wrote:
>
>> Jesse also pointed out space exhaustion inside the iommu and i believe
>> this should also be considered. This is why i believe the dma_* api is
>> not well suited. In DRM/TTM we use pci_dma_mapping* and we also play
>> with with page set_page*_uc|wc|wb.
>>
> Which are yet another set of completely x86-centric APIs that have not
> been thought in the context of other architectures and are probably
> mostly unimplementables on half of them :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Ben.
>
>
>
I've been doing some thinking over the years on how we could extend that
functionality to other architectures. The reason we need those is
because some x86 processors (early AMDs and, I think VIA c3) dislike
multiple mappings of the same pages with conflicting caching attributes.
What we really want to be able to do is to unmap pages from the linear
kernel map, to avoid having to transition the linear kernel map every
time we change other mappings.
The reason we need to do this in the first place is that AGP and modern
GPUs has a fast mode where snooping is turned off.
However, we should be able to construct a completely generic api around
these operations, and for architectures that don't support them we need
to determine
a) Whether we want to support them anyway (IIRC the problem with PPC is
that the linear kernel map has huge tlb entries that are very
inefficient to break up?)
b) Whether they are needed at all on the particular architecture. The
Intel x86 spec is, (according to AMD), supposed to forbid conflicting
caching attributes, but the Intel graphics guys use them for GEM. PPC
appears not to need it.
c) If neither of the above applies, we might be able to either use
explicit cache flushes (which will require a TTM cache sync API), or
require the device to use snooping mode. The architecture may also
perhaps have a pool of write-combined pages that we can use. This should
be indicated by defines in the api header.
/Thomas
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2011-04-21 19:29 [RFC] ARM DMA mapping TODO, v1 Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-21 19:29 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-21 20:09 ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Jesse Barnes
2011-04-21 20:09 ` Jesse Barnes
2011-04-21 21:52 ` Zach Pfeffer
2011-04-21 21:52 ` Zach Pfeffer
2011-04-22 0:34 ` KyongHo Cho
2011-04-22 0:34 ` KyongHo Cho
2011-04-26 14:29 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-26 14:29 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-26 14:28 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-26 14:28 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-26 14:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-26 14:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-26 15:39 ` Jesse Barnes
2011-04-26 15:39 ` Jesse Barnes
2011-04-27 7:35 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-27 7:35 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-27 8:56 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-27 8:56 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-27 9:09 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-27 9:09 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-27 11:02 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-27 11:02 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-27 16:16 ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Alex Deucher
2011-04-27 16:16 ` Alex Deucher
2011-04-27 17:44 ` Anca Emanuel
2011-04-27 17:44 ` Anca Emanuel
2011-04-27 20:27 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-27 20:27 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-27 20:16 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-27 20:16 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-27 20:21 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-27 20:21 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-27 20:26 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-27 20:26 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-27 20:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-27 20:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-27 21:41 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-27 21:41 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-28 9:30 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 9:30 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 21:07 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-28 21:07 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-29 11:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-29 11:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-29 11:47 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-29 11:47 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-29 11:56 ` Alan Cox
2011-04-29 11:56 ` Alan Cox
2011-04-29 22:51 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-29 22:51 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-29 12:06 ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Thomas Hellstrom
2011-04-29 12:06 ` Thomas Hellstrom
2011-04-29 13:34 ` Jerome Glisse
2011-04-29 13:34 ` Jerome Glisse
2011-04-29 22:55 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-29 22:55 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-29 22:53 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-29 22:53 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-27 10:51 ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-04-27 10:51 ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-04-27 21:37 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-27 21:37 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-28 6:40 ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-28 6:40 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-28 6:46 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2011-04-28 6:46 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2011-04-28 9:37 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 9:37 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 10:32 ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Marek Szyprowski
2011-04-28 10:32 ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-04-28 10:51 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 10:51 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 12:28 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-28 12:28 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-28 13:15 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 13:15 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 14:29 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-28 14:29 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-28 14:34 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 14:34 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 14:39 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-28 14:39 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-28 14:58 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 14:58 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 19:37 ` Jerome Glisse
2011-04-28 19:37 ` Jerome Glisse
2011-04-29 0:29 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-29 0:29 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-29 5:50 ` Thomas Hellstrom [this message]
2011-04-29 5:50 ` Thomas Hellstrom
2011-04-29 7:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-29 7:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-29 10:55 ` Thomas Hellstrom
2011-04-29 10:55 ` Thomas Hellstrom
2011-04-29 22:50 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-29 22:50 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-29 16:27 ` Jesse Barnes
2011-04-29 16:27 ` Jesse Barnes
2011-04-29 22:46 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-29 22:46 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-30 2:45 ` Jesse Barnes
2011-04-30 2:45 ` Jesse Barnes
2011-04-29 7:59 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-29 7:59 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-29 16:32 ` Jesse Barnes
2011-04-29 16:32 ` Jesse Barnes
2011-04-29 18:29 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-29 18:29 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-29 22:15 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-29 22:15 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-05-02 4:42 ` David Brown
2011-05-02 4:42 ` David Brown
2011-05-02 11:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-05-02 11:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-29 22:37 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-29 22:37 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-29 13:42 ` Joerg Roedel
2011-04-29 13:42 ` Joerg Roedel
2011-04-29 14:19 ` Jerome Glisse
2011-04-29 14:19 ` Jerome Glisse
2011-04-29 15:37 ` Jordan Crouse
2011-04-29 15:37 ` Jordan Crouse
2011-04-28 14:38 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2011-04-28 14:38 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2011-04-29 0:25 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-29 0:25 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-29 11:21 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-29 11:21 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-28 10:41 ` Joerg Roedel
2011-04-28 10:41 ` Joerg Roedel
2011-04-28 11:01 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 11:01 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 12:25 ` Joerg Roedel
2011-04-28 12:25 ` Joerg Roedel
2011-04-28 12:42 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 12:42 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 12:59 ` Joerg Roedel
2011-04-28 12:59 ` Joerg Roedel
2011-04-28 13:02 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-28 13:02 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-28 13:19 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 13:19 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 13:56 ` Joerg Roedel
2011-04-28 13:56 ` Joerg Roedel
2011-04-28 14:30 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 14:30 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-27 9:52 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-27 9:52 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-27 10:43 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-27 10:43 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-27 11:08 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-27 11:08 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-28 0:15 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-04-28 0:15 ` Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu
2011-04-28 8:27 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-28 8:27 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-28 12:12 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-28 12:12 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-28 12:36 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 12:36 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 12:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-28 12:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-05-03 14:45 ` Dave Martin
2011-05-03 14:45 ` Dave Martin
2011-04-29 15:41 ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-29 15:41 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-29 16:42 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-29 16:42 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-05-03 15:05 ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Laurent Pinchart
2011-05-03 15:05 ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-05-03 15:31 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-05-03 15:31 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-27 14:06 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2011-04-27 14:06 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2011-04-27 14:29 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-27 14:29 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-27 14:34 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2011-04-27 14:34 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2011-04-27 20:29 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-27 20:29 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-27 21:45 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-27 21:45 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-28 7:24 ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " KyongHo Cho
2011-04-28 7:24 ` KyongHo Cho
2011-04-28 8:31 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-28 8:31 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-27 21:31 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-27 21:31 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-28 9:42 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 9:42 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-28 10:27 ` Joerg Roedel
2011-04-28 10:27 ` Joerg Roedel
2011-04-28 12:15 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-28 12:15 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-05-03 14:35 [Linaro-mm-sig] " Laurent Pinchart
2011-05-03 14:35 ` Laurent Pinchart
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