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From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
To: Michal Kazior <michal.kazior@tieto.com>
Cc: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net,
	linux-wireless <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>,
	codel@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv2 1/2] mac80211: implement fair queuing per txq
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 19:46:11 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <F3D2A3B0-0BFB-4907-8B3C-9FA7A76CE6B9@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+BoTQmTviPfR-xsKB2gNa_epVJJ1JO4Ke=sKt27Xefn=OAQuw@mail.gmail.com>


> On 6 Apr, 2016, at 10:16, Michal Kazior <michal.kazior@tieto.com> wrote:
> 
> When a driver asks mac80211 to dequeue given txq it implies a
> destination station as well. This is important because 802.11
> aggregation can be performed only on groups of packets going to a
> single station on a single tid.
> 
> Cake - as I understand it - doesn't really *guarantee* maintaining
> this. Keep in mind you can run with hundreds of stations connected.
> 
> You don't really want to burden drivers with sorting this grouping up
> themselves (and hence coerce them into introducing another level of
> intermediate queues, bis).

Well, no.  Cake isn’t designed to maintain per-station queues explicitly, though it does have support for stochastic fairness between hosts.  It is also blissfuly unaware of the requirements of wifi aggregation, largely because the standard qdisc interface is likewise ignorant.  I’m therefore not suggesting that you use Cake as-is.

What I’m pointing at instead is the set-associative hash, which could easily be tweaked to put greater emphasis on avoiding putting multiple stations’ traffic in one queue, while maintaining the performance benefits of a fixed queue pool indexed by a hash table, and an extended operating region in which flow isolation is maintained.  You can then have a linked-list of queues assigned to a particular station, so that when a packet for a particular station is requested, you can easily locate one.

I hadn’t appreciated, though, that the TXQ struct was station-specific.  This wasn’t obvious from the code fragments posted, so it looked like packets that incurred hash collisions would be dumped into a single overflow queue.

 - Jonathan Morton


  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-06 16:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-16 10:17 [RFCv2 0/3] mac80211: implement fq codel Michal Kazior
2016-03-16 10:17 ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-16 10:17 ` [RFCv2 1/3] mac80211: implement fq_codel for software queuing Michal Kazior
2016-03-16 10:17   ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-16 10:17   ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-22  1:35   ` [Make-wifi-fast] " David Lang
2016-03-22  1:35     ` David Lang
2016-03-22  1:35     ` David Lang
2016-03-22  6:51     ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-22  6:51       ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-22  6:51       ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-16 10:17 ` [RFCv2 2/3] ath10k: report per-station tx/rate rates to mac80211 Michal Kazior
2016-03-16 10:17   ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-16 10:17   ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-24  7:19   ` Mohammed Shafi Shajakhan
2016-03-24  7:19     ` Mohammed Shafi Shajakhan
2016-03-24  7:19     ` Mohammed Shafi Shajakhan
2016-03-24  7:49     ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-24  7:49       ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-24  7:49       ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-24 12:23       ` Mohammed Shafi Shajakhan
2016-03-24 12:23         ` Mohammed Shafi Shajakhan
2016-03-24 12:31         ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-24 12:31           ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-24 12:31           ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-16 10:17 ` [RFCv2 3/3] ath10k: use ieee80211_tx_schedule() Michal Kazior
2016-03-16 10:17   ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-16 10:17   ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-16 10:26 ` [RFCv2 0/3] mac80211: implement fq codel Michal Kazior
2016-03-16 10:26   ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-16 15:37   ` Dave Taht
2016-03-16 15:37     ` Dave Taht
2016-03-16 15:37     ` Dave Taht
2016-03-16 18:36     ` Dave Taht
2016-03-16 18:36       ` Dave Taht
2016-03-16 18:36       ` Dave Taht
2016-03-16 18:55       ` Bob Copeland
2016-03-16 18:55         ` Bob Copeland
2016-03-16 18:55         ` Bob Copeland
2016-03-16 19:48         ` Jasmine Strong
2016-03-17  8:55           ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-17  8:55             ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-17  8:55             ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-17 11:12             ` Bob Copeland
2016-03-17 11:12               ` Bob Copeland
2016-03-17 17:00             ` Dave Taht
2016-03-17 17:00               ` Dave Taht
2016-03-17 17:00               ` Dave Taht
2016-03-17 17:24               ` [Codel] " Rick Jones
2016-03-17 17:24                 ` Rick Jones
2016-03-17 17:24                 ` Rick Jones
2016-03-21 11:57               ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-21 11:57                 ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-17  9:43       ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-17  9:43         ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-17  9:43         ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-17  9:03     ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-17  9:03       ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-17  9:03       ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-25  9:27 ` [PATCH 0/2] mac80211: implement fq_codel Michal Kazior
2016-03-25  9:27   ` [PATCH 1/2] mac80211: implement fair queuing per txq Michal Kazior
2016-04-08  4:37     ` Avery Pennarun
2016-04-11  7:25       ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-25  9:27   ` [PATCH 2/2] mac80211: expose some txq/fq internals and knobs via debugfs Michal Kazior
2016-03-31 10:28   ` [PATCHv2 0/2] mac80211: implement fq_codel Michal Kazior
2016-03-31 10:28     ` [PATCHv2 1/2] mac80211: implement fair queuing per txq Michal Kazior
2016-04-05 13:57       ` Johannes Berg
2016-04-05 14:32         ` Dave Taht
2016-04-06  7:21           ` Johannes Berg
2016-04-06 17:39             ` Dave Taht
2016-04-07  8:53               ` Johannes Berg
2016-04-06  5:35         ` Michal Kazior
2016-04-06  6:03           ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Jonathan Morton
2016-04-06  7:16             ` Michal Kazior
2016-04-06 16:46               ` Jonathan Morton [this message]
2016-04-06  7:19           ` Johannes Berg
2016-03-31 10:28     ` [PATCHv2 2/2] mac80211: expose some txq/fq internals and knobs via debugfs Michal Kazior
2016-04-14 12:18     ` [PATCHv3 0/5] mac80211: implement fq_codel Michal Kazior
2016-04-14 12:18       ` [PATCHv3 1/5] mac80211: skip netdev queue control with software queuing Michal Kazior
2016-04-16 22:21         ` Johannes Berg
2016-04-18  5:39           ` Michal Kazior
2016-04-14 12:18       ` [PATCHv3 2/5] mac80211: implement fair queueing per txq Michal Kazior
2016-04-16 22:23         ` Johannes Berg
2016-04-16 22:25           ` Johannes Berg
2016-04-18  5:16             ` Michal Kazior
2016-04-18 12:31               ` [Codel] " Eric Dumazet
2016-04-18 13:36                 ` Michal Kazior
2016-04-19  9:10                   ` Johannes Berg
2016-04-14 12:18       ` [PATCHv3 3/5] mac80211: add debug knobs for fair queuing Michal Kazior
2016-04-14 12:18       ` [PATCHv3 4/5] mac80211: implement codel on fair queuing flows Michal Kazior
2016-04-16 22:29         ` Johannes Berg
2016-04-18  5:31           ` Michal Kazior
2016-04-18 12:38             ` Michal Kazior
2016-04-19  9:06               ` Johannes Berg
2016-04-19  9:31                 ` Michal Kazior
2016-04-19  9:57                   ` Johannes Berg
2016-04-14 12:18       ` [PATCHv3 5/5] mac80211: add debug knobs for codel Michal Kazior
2016-05-05 11:00       ` [PATCHv4 0/5] mac80211: implement fq_codel Michal Kazior
2016-05-05 11:00         ` [PATCHv4 1/5] mac80211: skip netdev queue control with software queuing Michal Kazior
2016-05-09 12:28           ` Michal Kazior
2016-05-05 11:00         ` [PATCHv4 2/5] mac80211: implement fair queueing per txq Michal Kazior
2016-05-05 11:00         ` [PATCHv4 3/5] mac80211: add debug knobs for fair queuing Michal Kazior
2016-06-09  9:48           ` Johannes Berg
2016-05-05 11:00         ` [PATCHv4 4/5] mac80211: implement codel on fair queuing flows Michal Kazior
2016-05-05 15:30           ` Dave Taht
2016-05-05 11:00         ` [PATCHv4 5/5] mac80211: add debug knobs for codel Michal Kazior
2016-05-05 15:21           ` Dave Taht
2016-05-06  5:27             ` Michal Kazior
2016-05-06  5:51               ` Dave Taht
2016-05-06  6:33                 ` Michal Kazior
2016-05-06  7:23                   ` Dave Taht
2016-05-19  8:37         ` [PATCHv5 0/5] mac80211: implement fq_codel Michal Kazior
2016-05-19  8:37           ` [PATCHv5 1/5] mac80211: skip netdev queue control with software queuing Michal Kazior
2016-05-19  8:37           ` [PATCHv5 2/5] mac80211: implement fair queueing per txq Michal Kazior
2016-05-19  8:37           ` [PATCHv5 3/5] mac80211: add debug knobs for fair queuing Michal Kazior
2016-05-19  8:37           ` [PATCHv5 4/5] mac80211: implement codel on fair queuing flows Michal Kazior
2016-05-19  8:37           ` [PATCHv5 5/5] mac80211: add debug knobs for codel Michal Kazior
2016-06-09  9:47             ` Johannes Berg
2016-05-31 12:12           ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv5 0/5] mac80211: implement fq_codel Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2016-05-31 12:31             ` Michal Kazior
2016-06-09  9:49           ` Johannes Berg

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