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From: Deepak Gupta <debug@rivosinc.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 15/28] riscv/mm: Implement map_shadow_stack() syscall
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 16:47:11 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZdaZj0pqaVJiNOUg@debug.ba.rivosinc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZcJX2IJb0hOM5RF5@finisterre.sirena.org.uk>

On Tue, Feb 06, 2024 at 04:01:28PM +0000, Mark Brown wrote:
>On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 10:21:40PM -0800, debug@rivosinc.com wrote:
>
>> As discussed extensively in the changelog for the addition of this
>> syscall on x86 ("x86/shstk: Introduce map_shadow_stack syscall") the
>> existing mmap() and madvise() syscalls do not map entirely well onto the
>> security requirements for guarded control stacks since they lead to
>> windows where memory is allocated but not yet protected or stacks which
>> are not properly and safely initialised. Instead a new syscall
>> map_shadow_stack() has been defined which allocates and initialises a
>> shadow stack page.
>
>While I agree that this is very well written you probably want to update
>the references to guarded control stacks to whatever the RISC-V term is :P

Noted. I'll do that in next patchset.

>
>> --- a/include/uapi/asm-generic/mman.h
>> +++ b/include/uapi/asm-generic/mman.h
>> @@ -19,4 +19,5 @@
>>  #define MCL_FUTURE	2		/* lock all future mappings */
>>  #define MCL_ONFAULT	4		/* lock all pages that are faulted in */
>>
>> +#define SHADOW_STACK_SET_TOKEN (1ULL << 0)     /* Set up a restore token in the shadow stack */
>>  #endif /* __ASM_GENERIC_MMAN_H */
>
>For arm64 I also added a SHADOW_STACK_SET_MARKER for adding a top of
>stack marker, did you have any thoughts on that for RISC-V?  I think x86
>were considering adding it too, it'd be good if we could get things
>consistent.

Please correct me on this. A token at the top which can't be consumed to restore
but *just* purely as marker, right?
It's a good design basic with not a lot of cost.

I think risc-v should be able to converge on that.



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From: Deepak Gupta <debug@rivosinc.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com, Szabolcs.Nagy@arm.com,
	kito.cheng@sifive.com, keescook@chromium.org,
	ajones@ventanamicro.com, paul.walmsley@sifive.com,
	palmer@dabbelt.com, conor.dooley@microchip.com,
	cleger@rivosinc.com, atishp@atishpatra.org, alex@ghiti.fr,
	bjorn@rivosinc.com, alexghiti@rivosinc.com, corbet@lwn.net,
	aou@eecs.berkeley.edu, oleg@redhat.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, arnd@arndb.de, ebiederm@xmission.com,
	shuah@kernel.org, brauner@kernel.org, guoren@kernel.org,
	samitolvanen@google.com, evan@rivosinc.com,
	xiao.w.wang@intel.com, apatel@ventanamicro.com,
	mchitale@ventanamicro.com, waylingii@gmail.com,
	greentime.hu@sifive.com, heiko@sntech.de, jszhang@kernel.org,
	shikemeng@huaweicloud.com, david@redhat.com,
	charlie@rivosinc.com, panqinglin2020@iscas.ac.cn,
	willy@infradead.org, vincent.chen@sifive.com,
	andy.chiu@sifive.com, gerg@kernel.org,
	jeeheng.sia@starfivetech.com, mason.huo@starfivetech.com,
	ancientmodern4@gmail.com, mathis.salmen@matsal.de,
	cuiyunhui@bytedance.com, bhe@redhat.com, chenjiahao16@huawei.com,
	ruscur@russell.cc, bgray@linux.ibm.com, alx@kernel.org,
	baruch@tkos.co.il, zhangqing@loongson.cn,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, revest@chromium.org,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, joey.gouly@arm.com, shr@devkernel.io,
	omosnace@redhat.com, ojeda@kernel.org, jhubbard@nvidia.com,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 15/28] riscv/mm: Implement map_shadow_stack() syscall
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 16:47:11 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZdaZj0pqaVJiNOUg@debug.ba.rivosinc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZcJX2IJb0hOM5RF5@finisterre.sirena.org.uk>

On Tue, Feb 06, 2024 at 04:01:28PM +0000, Mark Brown wrote:
>On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 10:21:40PM -0800, debug@rivosinc.com wrote:
>
>> As discussed extensively in the changelog for the addition of this
>> syscall on x86 ("x86/shstk: Introduce map_shadow_stack syscall") the
>> existing mmap() and madvise() syscalls do not map entirely well onto the
>> security requirements for guarded control stacks since they lead to
>> windows where memory is allocated but not yet protected or stacks which
>> are not properly and safely initialised. Instead a new syscall
>> map_shadow_stack() has been defined which allocates and initialises a
>> shadow stack page.
>
>While I agree that this is very well written you probably want to update
>the references to guarded control stacks to whatever the RISC-V term is :P

Noted. I'll do that in next patchset.

>
>> --- a/include/uapi/asm-generic/mman.h
>> +++ b/include/uapi/asm-generic/mman.h
>> @@ -19,4 +19,5 @@
>>  #define MCL_FUTURE	2		/* lock all future mappings */
>>  #define MCL_ONFAULT	4		/* lock all pages that are faulted in */
>>
>> +#define SHADOW_STACK_SET_TOKEN (1ULL << 0)     /* Set up a restore token in the shadow stack */
>>  #endif /* __ASM_GENERIC_MMAN_H */
>
>For arm64 I also added a SHADOW_STACK_SET_MARKER for adding a top of
>stack marker, did you have any thoughts on that for RISC-V?  I think x86
>were considering adding it too, it'd be good if we could get things
>consistent.

Please correct me on this. A token at the top which can't be consumed to restore
but *just* purely as marker, right?
It's a good design basic with not a lot of cost.

I think risc-v should be able to converge on that.



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Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-25  6:21 [RFC PATCH v1 00/28] riscv control-flow integrity for usermode debug
2024-01-25  6:21 ` debug
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 01/28] riscv: abstract envcfg CSR debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-02-12 10:23   ` Andrew Jones
2024-02-12 10:23     ` Andrew Jones
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 02/28] riscv: envcfg save and restore on trap entry/exit debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25  7:19   ` Stefan O'Rear
2024-01-25  7:19     ` Stefan O'Rear
2024-01-25 17:09     ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-25 17:09       ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-25 17:54       ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-25 17:54         ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 03/28] riscv: define default value for envcfg debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 04/28] riscv/Kconfig: enable HAVE_EXIT_THREAD for riscv debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 05/28] riscv: zicfiss/zicfilp enumeration debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25 17:59   ` Conor Dooley
2024-01-25 17:59     ` Conor Dooley
2024-01-25 18:26     ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-25 18:26       ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-25 18:46       ` Conor Dooley
2024-01-25 18:46         ` Conor Dooley
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 06/28] riscv: zicfiss/zicfilp extension csr and bit definitions debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 07/28] riscv: kernel handling on trap entry/exit for user cfi debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25  7:29   ` Stefan O'Rear
2024-01-25  7:29     ` Stefan O'Rear
2024-01-25 17:30     ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-25 17:30       ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-25 19:47       ` Stefan O'Rear
2024-01-25 19:47         ` Stefan O'Rear
2024-01-26  0:25         ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-26  0:25           ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 08/28] mm: Define VM_SHADOW_STACK for RISC-V debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25  8:17   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-01-25  8:17     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-01-25 17:05     ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-25 17:05       ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 09/28] mm: abstract shadow stack vma behind `arch_is_shadow_stack` debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25  8:18   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-01-25  8:18     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-01-25 17:07     ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-25 17:07       ` Deepak Gupta
2024-02-13 10:34       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-13 10:34         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-22  1:32         ` Deepak Gupta
2024-02-22  1:32           ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 10/28] riscv/mm : Introducing new protection flag "PROT_SHADOWSTACK" debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 11/28] riscv: Implementing "PROT_SHADOWSTACK" on riscv debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-02-09 20:44   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-02-09 20:44     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-02-22  0:39     ` Deepak Gupta
2024-02-22  0:39       ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 12/28] riscv mm: manufacture shadow stack pte debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 13/28] riscv mmu: teach pte_mkwrite to manufacture shadow stack PTEs debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 14/28] riscv mmu: write protect and shadow stack debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 15/28] riscv/mm: Implement map_shadow_stack() syscall debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25 21:24   ` Charlie Jenkins
2024-01-25 21:24     ` Charlie Jenkins
2024-01-26  0:44     ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-26  0:44       ` Deepak Gupta
2024-02-06 16:01   ` Mark Brown
2024-02-06 16:01     ` Mark Brown
2024-02-22  0:47     ` Deepak Gupta [this message]
2024-02-22  0:47       ` Deepak Gupta
2024-02-22 13:33       ` Mark Brown
2024-02-22 13:33         ` Mark Brown
2024-02-09 20:44   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-02-09 20:44     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-02-22  0:50     ` Deepak Gupta
2024-02-22  0:50       ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 16/28] riscv/shstk: If needed allocate a new shadow stack on clone debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 17/28] prctl: arch-agnostic prctl for shadow stack debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 18/28] prctl: arch-agnostic prtcl for indirect branch tracking debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-02-06 16:13   ` Mark Brown
2024-02-06 16:13     ` Mark Brown
2024-02-22  0:42     ` Deepak Gupta
2024-02-22  0:42       ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 19/28] riscv: Implements arch agnostic shadow stack prctls debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 20/28] riscv: Implements arch argnostic indirect branch tracking prctls debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 21/28] riscv/traps: Introduce software check exception debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 22/28] riscv sigcontext: adding cfi state field in sigcontext debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 23/28] riscv signal: Save and restore of shadow stack for signal debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 24/28] riscv: select config for shadow stack and landing pad instr support debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25 18:04   ` Conor Dooley
2024-01-25 18:04     ` Conor Dooley
2024-01-25 18:12     ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-25 18:12       ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-25 18:44       ` Conor Dooley
2024-01-25 18:44         ` Conor Dooley
2024-01-25 19:26         ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-25 19:26           ` Deepak Gupta
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 25/28] riscv/ptrace: riscv cfi status and state via ptrace and in core files debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 26/28] riscv: Documentation for landing pad / indirect branch tracking debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 27/28] riscv: Documentation for shadow stack on riscv debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug
2024-01-25  6:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 28/28] kselftest/riscv: kselftest for user mode cfi debug
2024-01-25  6:21   ` debug

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