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From: Shawn <core@enodev.com>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
Cc: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Bitkeeper
Date: 18 Jul 2003 16:03:52 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1058562231.9585.59.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030718204405.GA658@work.bitmover.com>

Again, to add to that, the very existence of BK2SVN and BK2CVS would
seem support the assertion that the license/copyright allow
"work-(sort-of)-alike" developers like (SVN guys) to use the protocol
gateways. It only prevents them from using BK itself.

Really, the existence of the gateways was the end-all answer to the
arguments folks had. The only thing really left is that the gateways
operate on the charity of Larry.

So, just keep those repos up to date from the gateways, and if they stop
working one day, then bitch. But understand, Larry is well within his
rights in all his assertions; he's just quite a bit right of hard line
GNU.

On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 15:44, Larry McVoy wrote:
> I'm trying hard to stay out of this, I think Richard may be trolling,
> but I need to make sure that people understand that what Richard is 
> suggesting is violation of our license and copyright.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 03:51:36PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
> > I think it would be appropriate at this point to write a free client
> > that talks with Bitkeeper, and for Linux developers to start switching
> > to that from Bitkeeper.  At that point, McVoy will face a hard choice:
> > if he carries out these threats, he risks alienating the community
> > that he hopes will market Bitkeeper for him.
> 
> Our license states that you can't use BK if you are developing a similar
> system, i.e., a clone.  Without using BK it's impossible to reverse
> engineer BK to create the clone.  So your message seems to be saying
> "it would be appropriate at this point to violate the BitKeeper license
> in order to write a free client which talks with BitKeeper".
> 
> Are you really instructing people to go out and violate our license?  

  reply	other threads:[~2003-07-18 20:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-07-18 19:51 Bitkeeper Richard Stallman
2003-07-18 20:06 ` Bitkeeper Rik van Riel
2003-07-18 20:22   ` Bitkeeper nick
2003-07-18 20:40     ` Bitkeeper Shawn
2003-07-18 21:28     ` Bitkeeper Alan Cox
2003-07-19 23:45       ` Bitkeeper Pavel Machek
2003-07-20  0:23         ` Bitkeeper Jeff Garzik
2003-07-18 20:32   ` Bitkeeper Shawn
2003-07-18 20:44     ` Bitkeeper Rik van Riel
2003-07-19 18:42     ` Bitkeeper Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-07-19 18:49       ` Bitkeeper Larry McVoy
2003-07-19 18:57         ` Bitkeeper Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-07-19 19:05           ` Bitkeeper Larry McVoy
2003-07-19 20:02             ` Bitkeeper Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-07-18 20:09 ` Bitkeeper Trever L. Adams
2003-07-18 20:44   ` Bitkeeper Shawn
2003-07-18 21:03   ` Bitkeeper Larry McVoy
2003-07-18 21:58     ` Bitkeeper Trever L. Adams
2003-07-18 22:17   ` Bitkeeper Mike Fedyk
2003-07-18 22:39     ` Bitkeeper Alan Cox
2003-07-19  8:20       ` Bitkeeper Eric W. Biederman
2003-07-19 15:34         ` Bitkeeper Mark Mielke
2003-07-18 22:29   ` Bitkeeper Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-18 20:30 ` Bitkeeper Michael Buesch
2003-07-18 20:36   ` Bitkeeper Shawn
2003-07-18 20:44 ` Bitkeeper Larry McVoy
2003-07-18 21:03   ` Shawn [this message]
2003-07-18 21:08   ` Bitkeeper David Schwartz
2003-07-18 21:28     ` Bitkeeper Shawn
2003-07-18 21:23   ` Bitkeeper Alan Cox
2003-07-18 21:50     ` Bitkeeper David Lang
2003-07-18 21:54     ` Bitkeeper Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-07-18 22:16       ` Bitkeeper Alan Cox
2003-07-18 22:01     ` Bitkeeper Trever L. Adams
2003-07-18 22:27     ` Bitkeeper Larry McVoy
2003-07-19  9:45       ` Bitkeeper Marcus Metzler
2003-07-19 20:42       ` Bitkeeper Adrian Bunk
2003-07-19 21:57         ` Bitkeeper Larry McVoy
2003-07-19 22:28           ` Bitkeeper Adrian Bunk
2003-07-19 22:39             ` Bitkeeper Larry McVoy
2003-07-19 23:45               ` Bitkeeper Adrian Bunk
2003-07-20  0:02                 ` Bitkeeper Larry McVoy
2003-07-20  0:10                   ` Bitkeeper Tupshin Harper
2003-07-20  0:26                     ` Bitkeeper Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-07-20  1:11                       ` Bitkeeper Jeff Garzik
2003-07-20  0:23                   ` Bitkeeper Jeff Garzik
2003-07-20  0:28                   ` Bitkeeper jiho
2003-07-20  0:30                   ` Bitkeeper Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-07-20  0:50                     ` Bitkeeper Larry McVoy
2003-07-20  0:22                 ` Bitkeeper Jeff Garzik
     [not found]               ` <3F19DA04.80809@c-zone.net>
     [not found]                 ` <20030719235526.GA31428@work.bitmover.com>
2003-07-20  0:21                   ` Bitkeeper jiho
2003-07-19 23:57       ` Bitkeeper Pavel Machek
2003-07-18 21:06 ` Bitkeeper Jörn Engel
2003-07-18 22:00   ` Bitkeeper Svein Ove Aas
2003-07-18 22:25     ` BK is not heaven, sure [Was: Re: Bitkeeper] J.A. Magallon
2003-07-18 23:50 ` Bitkeeper James Simmons
2003-07-19  1:05   ` offtopic crap (was Re: Bitkeeper) David S. Miller
2003-07-19 15:00     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-07-20  2:50 ` Bitkeeper Zack Brown
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-03-07 16:23 BitKeeper Amit Vijairania
2006-03-07 17:51 ` BitKeeper Yoanis Gil Delgado
2006-03-07 17:08   ` BitKeeper Amit Vijairania
2006-03-07 18:15     ` BitKeeper Yoanis Gil Delgado
2006-03-07 18:33       ` BitKeeper Hans Reiser
2006-03-07 18:31   ` BitKeeper Hans Reiser
2006-03-07 22:27     ` BitKeeper Peter van Hardenberg
2005-04-07 22:03 Bitkeeper Paul Dorman
2005-04-07 22:18 ` Bitkeeper Jacob Gorm Hansen
2005-04-07 23:26   ` Bitkeeper Tupshin Harper
2005-04-07 23:53     ` Bitkeeper Jacob Gorm Hansen
2005-04-07 23:55     ` Bitkeeper Scott Parish
2005-04-08  0:21       ` Bitkeeper Jacob Gorm Hansen
2005-04-08  0:21         ` Bitkeeper Scott Parish
2005-04-08  6:55         ` Bitkeeper Chris Wright
2005-04-10 15:34         ` Bitkeeper Sean Perry
2005-04-11  6:54           ` Bitkeeper Jacob Gorm Hansen
2005-04-12  0:21             ` Bitkeeper David Hopwood
2004-08-16 22:21 Bitkeeper Brown, Len
2004-08-16 21:43 Bitkeeper Nathan Bryant
2003-07-19 16:00 Bitkeeper John Bradford
2003-07-19 16:17 ` Bitkeeper Mark Mielke
2003-07-19 10:33 Bitkeeper John Bradford
2003-02-15  8:21 BitKeeper John Bradford
2003-02-15 22:26 ` BitKeeper Pavel Machek
2003-02-16 11:40   ` BitKeeper John Bradford
2002-10-14 15:11 bitkeeper Cameron, Steve
2002-10-14 15:14 ` bitkeeper Cort Dougan
2002-10-14 15:25 ` bitkeeper Hollis Blanchard
2002-10-15  8:45   ` bitkeeper fred
2002-10-15  9:47     ` bitkeeper Kenneth Johansson

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