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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
Cc: Pascal Schmidt <der.eremit@email.de>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: freed_symbols [Re: People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model]]
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 09:40:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1065516037.22491.267.camel@hades.cambridge.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20031006183857.GA3508@work.bitmover.com>

On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 11:38 -0700, Larry McVoy wrote:
> The thing that is trying to cross the boundary is the kernel license
> so what matters is if the thing which you believe should be GPLed is
> separable or not.

Forget boundaries, Larry. Consider the case of the Creosote Public
Licence to which I referred before. That one required you to bathe daily
in creosote and release _all_ your future work under the same licence;
separate works or not.

If you don't comply with the licence, you may not use the original work.
It's that simple -- whatever the requirements of the licence are, you
obey them or you don't have a licence.

In the case of the CPL, it isn't a crime for you to publish your own
non-derived work under another licence, or one day to decide not to
bathe in creosote -- but it does place you in violation of the Creosote
Public Licence and hence mean that continued use of the _original_ work
is a violation of its copyright; and therefore a criminal offence.

This is not about whether a licence _can_ demand this. We know it can --
it can demand the ritual sacrifice of your first-born, and all that
means is that if you don't agree, you don't get to use the software in
question¹.

This is about whether the GPL _does_ demand this. I believe that it
does, and that the user-space exception and the existence of the LGPL
make that fact entirely clear.

-- 
dwmw2

¹ Admittedly, incitement to murder is an offence in most countries
  but you get the point, and you still wouldn't be permitted to
  use the software if you didn't do it :)


  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-10-07  8:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Dnwo.1ew.15@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <DnPL.3XB.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <DsvX.3yN.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-06 18:28     ` freed_symbols [Re: People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model]] Pascal Schmidt
2003-10-06 18:38       ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-06 21:29         ` Olivier Galibert
2003-10-07  0:56           ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-07  8:40         ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2003-10-07  8:56           ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-07 10:13             ` Roman Zippel
2003-10-07 10:33               ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-07 10:44                 ` Roman Zippel
2003-10-07 11:25                   ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-07 14:03                     ` Roman Zippel
2003-10-07 19:09                       ` David S. Miller
2003-10-07  8:58           ` David S. Miller
2003-10-07 14:16           ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-07 14:48             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-10-07  8:28       ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-07 10:03 Pascal Schmidt
     [not found] <DIre.Cy.15@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <DIre.Cy.17@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <DIre.Cy.19@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <DIre.Cy.13@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <DIAQ.2Hh.5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-06 18:56         ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-10-06 19:09           ` David Lang
2003-10-06 20:08           ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-07 10:49             ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-10 12:14               ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-10 12:48                 ` David S. Miller
2003-10-10 13:27                 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-10 12:55               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-10 13:07                 ` David S. Miller
2003-10-10 13:28                   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-06 22:46           ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-06 23:01             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-07  0:20             ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-10-07  2:31               ` Andre Hedrick
     [not found] <fa.grj6i7d.lmorqn@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.n320lec.1p4i0gc@ifi.uio.no>
2003-10-05 16:44   ` walt
     [not found] <vyRY.6te.13@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <vzkY.7cC.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-09-14  9:16   ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-09-14 17:09     ` Stan Bubrouski
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-09-14  4:37 People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model] Erik Andersen
2003-09-14  4:58 ` freed_symbols [Re: People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model]] Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14  5:39   ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-14  5:32     ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14  6:41       ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-14  6:50         ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14  7:10         ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14  8:08           ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-15  0:17             ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-09-15  5:57               ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-15  6:14                 ` Nick Piggin
2003-10-05  0:52                 ` Rob Landley
2003-10-05  1:05                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-05  2:34                     ` viro
2003-10-05  3:45                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-05 10:24                         ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 13:56                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-05 14:14                             ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 10:23                     ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 11:32                       ` David Lang
2003-10-05 13:37                         ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05  6:40                   ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05  7:39                     ` viro
2003-10-05 18:27                     ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 19:21                       ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 20:03                         ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 20:14                           ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 20:34                             ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 20:43                               ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-06  1:22                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-06  1:37                                 ` David Lang
2003-10-06  1:51                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-05 19:32                       ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-10-05 19:47                         ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 20:38                           ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 20:46                             ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 19:54                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-09-14  8:45           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-09-15  0:16   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-09-15  0:27     ` Justin Cormack

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