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From: David Lang <david.lang@digitalinsight.com>
To: Pascal Schmidt <der.eremit@email.de>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: freed_symbols [Re: People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model]]
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:09:15 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0310061207460.18256@dlang.diginsite.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1A6aWv-0000rJ-00@neptune.local>

Correct, this is why most device drivers ARE derived from the kernel and
must be GPL'd.

however it is possible to write a device driver independantly and then
interface it with the kernel without making it a derived work.

David Lang

On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Pascal Schmidt wrote:

> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:56:25 +0200
> From: Pascal Schmidt <der.eremit@email.de>
> To: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> Subject: Re: freed_symbols [Re: People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model]]
>
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:50:12 +0200, you wrote in linux.kernel:
>
> > That has no bearing on the legalities.  A version of the kernel can't
> > force the GPL on a driver that works with that version of the kernel
> > because you can pull that driver out and drop in another.
>
> Okay, I can see the boundary. We still have the problem that drivers
> writers have to be very careful to not copy kernel code by accident
> because the kernel changes often, which creates a temptation to look
> closely at in-tree drivers to see how they do things. And if a
> drivers writer then produces code that is essentialy the same as is
> found in the kernel, only with changed indentation and variable names,
> I think we both a agree that such a driver would be a derived work.
>
> Another problem is the fact that Linux kernel headers can contain code
> in the form of macros. If a driver uses such a header, it links kernel
> code with itself which can easily make it a derived work.
>
> --
> Ciao,
> Pascal
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  reply	other threads:[~2003-10-06 19:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]       ` <DIAQ.2Hh.5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-06 18:56         ` freed_symbols [Re: People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model]] Pascal Schmidt
2003-10-06 19:09           ` David Lang [this message]
2003-10-06 20:08           ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-07 10:49             ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-10 12:14               ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-10 12:48                 ` David S. Miller
2003-10-10 13:27                 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-10 12:55               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-10 13:07                 ` David S. Miller
2003-10-10 13:28                   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-06 22:46           ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-06 23:01             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-07  0:20             ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-10-07  2:31               ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-07 10:03 Pascal Schmidt
     [not found] <Dnwo.1ew.15@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <DnPL.3XB.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <DsvX.3yN.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-06 18:28     ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-10-06 18:38       ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-06 21:29         ` Olivier Galibert
2003-10-07  0:56           ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-07  8:40         ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-07  8:56           ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-07 10:13             ` Roman Zippel
2003-10-07 10:33               ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-07 10:44                 ` Roman Zippel
2003-10-07 11:25                   ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-07 14:03                     ` Roman Zippel
2003-10-07 19:09                       ` David S. Miller
2003-10-07  8:58           ` David S. Miller
2003-10-07 14:16           ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-07 14:48             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-10-07  8:28       ` David Woodhouse
     [not found] <fa.grj6i7d.lmorqn@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.n320lec.1p4i0gc@ifi.uio.no>
2003-10-05 16:44   ` walt
     [not found] <vyRY.6te.13@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <vzkY.7cC.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-09-14  9:16   ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-09-14 17:09     ` Stan Bubrouski
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-09-14  4:37 People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model] Erik Andersen
2003-09-14  4:58 ` freed_symbols [Re: People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model]] Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14  5:39   ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-14  5:32     ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14  6:41       ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-14  6:50         ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14  7:10         ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14  8:08           ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-15  0:17             ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-09-15  5:57               ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-15  6:14                 ` Nick Piggin
2003-10-05  0:52                 ` Rob Landley
2003-10-05  1:05                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-05  2:34                     ` viro
2003-10-05  3:45                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-05 10:24                         ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 13:56                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-05 14:14                             ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 10:23                     ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 11:32                       ` David Lang
2003-10-05 13:37                         ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05  6:40                   ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05  7:39                     ` viro
2003-10-05 18:27                     ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 19:21                       ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 20:03                         ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 20:14                           ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 20:34                             ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 20:43                               ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-06  1:22                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-06  1:37                                 ` David Lang
2003-10-06  1:51                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-05 19:32                       ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-10-05 19:47                         ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 20:38                           ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 20:46                             ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 19:54                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-09-14  8:45           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-09-15  0:16   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-09-15  0:27     ` Justin Cormack

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