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From: Peter Foldiak <Peter.Foldiak@st-andrews.ac.uk>
To: Christian Mayrhuber <christian.mayrhuber@gmx.net>
Cc: reiserfs-list@namesys.com, Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>,
	Paolo Ciarrocchi <paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: file as a directory
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:09:41 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1101553779.3680.28.camel@grape.st-and.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200411262213.58242.christian.mayrhuber@gmx.net>

On Fri, 2004-11-26 at 21:13, Christian Mayrhuber wrote:
> Regarding namespace unification + XPath:
> For files: cat /etc/passwd/[. = "joe"] should work like in XPath.

I don't understand this. Why would you need the "."? And why the /
between passwd and [ ?
I would prefer (as was suggested earlier in the thread) that the syntax
for the entry for joe in the passwd file should be

/etc/passwd/joe

and the if you want to select joe's full name, then it should be

/etc/passwd/joe/fullname

and it would result in e.g. "Joe Smith" and

/etc/passwd/joe/shell

whould be the shell joe uses.

Of course something would have to tell the system that the passwd file
has one line for each user, and that fields within a line are separated
by ":"s and what the names of the fields are (e.g. the first field is
called "user"). And when you select inside the /etc/passwd file (or this
type of file) then the default interpretation of joe is that "user"
should be used to select the line.

So by default, /etc/passwd/joe should be equivalent to /etc/passwd[user
= "joe"]

But you should be able to select based on fullname too:

/etc/passwd[fullname = "Joe Smith"]

and

/etc/passwd[shell = "/bin/bash"]/user

should give you the user names of all users whose shell is /bin/bash,
right?

> But what to do with directories?
> Would 'cat /etc/[. = "passwd"]' output the contents of the passwd file
> or does it mean to output the file '[. = "passwd"]'?

I don't really see the point of this . = "passwd" syntax.

> If the first is the case then you have to prohibit filenames looking 
> like '[foo bar]'.

I think so.

> If the shells wouldn't like * for themself, I'd suggest something like
> cat /etc/*[. = "passwd"]
> This means: list all contents and show the ones where filename = "passwd".

but isn't that just /etc/passwd ? why complicate it?

> For the contents of /etc/passwd the following could become possible:
> 'cat /etc/passwd/*[. = "joe"]
> 'cat /etc/passwd/*[@shell = "/bin/tcsh"]

no, I think it should be 

cat /etc/passwd[shell = "bin/tcsh"]

why the *? and why the @? an attribute? why not simply a part of the
line with / ?

> To change all tcsh entries to bash:
> echo -n "/bin/bash" > /etc/passwd/*[@shell = "/bin/tcsh"]/@shell

I would say

echo -n "/bin/bash" > /etc/passwd[shell = "/bin/tcsh"]/shell


> What about mapping the contents of files into "pure" posix namespace?

Yes, that is exactly what I am suggesting, except that I would like to
extend the POSIX syntax by stealing some useful syntactic bits from
XPath.

> XML is basically a tree, too.
> Notes: 
> 1) "...." below is the entry to reiser4 namespace.
> 2) # denotes a shell command
> For example:
> 
> # cd /etc/passwd/
> # ls -a *
> . .. .... joe root
> # cd joe
> # ls
> gid home passwd shell uid

yes, but where is the username? that would be the first one listed here,
right?

> # cat shell
> /bin/tcsh
> # cd ../....
> # ls 
> plugins 
> 
> I guess an implementation in reiser4 would require some
> mime-type/file extension dispatcher plus a special
> directory plugin for each mime-type.


  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-27 11:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-22 13:54 file as a directory Amit Gud
2004-11-22 14:37 ` Martin Waitz
2004-11-22 15:34   ` Zan Lynx
2004-11-22 17:18     ` Martin Waitz
2004-11-22 18:16   ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-22 14:38 ` Al Viro
2004-11-22 15:04 ` Helge Hafting
2004-11-22 17:15   ` Tomas Carnecky
2004-11-22 18:48     ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-24  9:16       ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-24 14:05         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-24 15:02         ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-11-24 15:25           ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-26 16:13             ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-24 16:11           ` Christian Mayrhuber
2004-11-25 10:50             ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-26 18:19               ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-26 21:13                 ` Christian Mayrhuber
2004-11-27 11:09                   ` Peter Foldiak [this message]
2004-11-27 13:14                     ` Christian Mayrhuber
2004-11-29 21:20                       ` Horst von Brand
2004-11-29 22:59                         ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-29 23:35                           ` Kevin Fox
2004-11-30  8:54                             ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-30 16:28                               ` Kevin Fox
2004-11-30 16:42                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-30 17:35                                   ` Jesse Pollard
2004-11-30 17:49                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-30 18:26                                       ` Amit Gud
2004-11-30 18:39                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-01  2:44                                           ` Scott Young
2004-12-03  9:58                                           ` Amit Gud
2004-11-30 14:51                           ` Horst von Brand
2004-11-30 15:29                             ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-30 16:31                               ` Horst von Brand
2004-11-30 17:03                                 ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-14 16:58                                   ` Peter Foldiak
2004-12-14 17:21                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-14 18:11                                       ` Peter Foldiak
2004-12-14 18:16                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-14 17:24                                     ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-14 21:27                                       ` Peter Foldiak
2004-12-15  4:47                                         ` David Masover
2004-12-15  5:28                                           ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-16  0:16                                             ` David Masover
2004-12-16 18:52                                               ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-17 15:58                                                 ` David Masover
2004-12-17 16:52                                                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-18  1:52                                                     ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-20 17:21                                                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-21  3:40                                                         ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2004-12-21  5:31                                                           ` David Masover
2004-12-21 13:16                                                             ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2004-12-21 16:29                                                           ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-22  0:47                                                             ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2004-12-15  9:27                                           ` Peter Foldiak
2004-12-15 23:56                                             ` David Masover
2004-12-16 18:48                                               ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-16 19:01                                                 ` Peter Foldiak
2004-12-17 18:09                                                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-18  0:20                                                     ` David Masover
2004-12-17 16:02                                                 ` David Masover
2004-12-17 16:54                                                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-15  5:19                                         ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-14 19:30                                     ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-15  4:52                                       ` David Masover
2004-12-15  5:31                                         ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-15  5:10                                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-15 13:28                                         ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-15 16:57                                           ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-15 19:11                                             ` Markus   Törnqvist
2004-12-15 19:11                                               ` mjt
2004-12-15 20:57                                               ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-30 17:03                                 ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-30 17:50                                   ` Horst von Brand
2004-11-30 18:23                                   ` Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando
2004-11-29 23:11                         ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-30  5:53                         ` prymitive
2004-11-30 16:04                   ` Martin Waitz
2004-11-27 12:49                 ` Markus   Törnqvist
2004-11-27 12:49                   ` mjt
2004-11-29 15:41                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-26 17:43         ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-27 11:50         ` Tomasz Torcz
2005-05-10  9:39         ` Peter Foldiak
2005-05-10 14:53           ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-10 15:32             ` Peter Foldiak
2005-05-10 16:30               ` Sean McGrath
2005-05-10 17:25                 ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-10 17:39                   ` Sean McGrath
2005-05-10 18:52                     ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-10 19:39                       ` Sean McGrath
2005-05-10 20:11                         ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-16 12:32               ` Leo Comerford
2005-05-17  1:25                 ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-05-17 22:51                   ` David Masover
2005-05-17 23:57                     ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-05-18 11:46                   ` Leo Comerford
2005-05-18 11:50                   ` Leo Comerford
2005-05-10 15:14           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-10 15:38             ` Peter Foldiak
2005-05-10 17:20               ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-11 10:23               ` Helge Hafting
2004-11-23  6:20   ` Amit Gud
2004-11-24 10:32     ` Helge Hafting
2004-11-24 11:07       ` Amit Gud
2004-11-25 23:09   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-28 18:53     ` Helge Hafting
2004-11-28 19:01       ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-22 17:59 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-11-22 18:24   ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-22 18:24     ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-22 18:52   ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-22 19:05     ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-23  9:46       ` Amit Gud
2004-11-23 14:00         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-23 14:17           ` Amit Gud
2004-11-23  9:11     ` Dirk Steinberg
2004-11-23  9:37       ` Markus   Törnqvist
2004-11-23  9:37         ` mjt
2004-11-23 19:00       ` Hans Reiser
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     [not found] ` <fa.hcr9rb0.k6egam@ifi.uio.no>
2004-11-26  4:11   ` Bodo Eggert

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