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From: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@aitel.hist.no>
To: Peter Foldiak <Peter.Foldiak@st-andrews.ac.uk>
Cc: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>,
	sean.mcgrath@propylon.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	reiserfs-list@namesys.com
Subject: Re: file as a directory
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:23:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050511102344.GA8277@hh.idb.hist.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1115739527.3711.124.camel@grape.st-and.ac.uk>

On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 04:38:48PM +0100, Peter Foldiak wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-05-10 at 16:14, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 May 2005 10:39:23 BST, Peter Foldiak said:
> > > Back in November 2004, I suggested on the linux-kernel and reiserfs
> > > lists that the Reiser4 architecture could allow us to abolish the
> > > unnatural naming distinction between directories/files/parts-of-file
> > > (i.e. to unify naming within-file-system and within-file naming) in an
> > > efficient way.
> > > I suggested that one way of doing that would be to extend XPath-like
> > > selection syntax above the (XML) file level.
> > 
> > I believe the consensus was that this needs to happen at the VFS layer, not
> > the FS level.  The next step would be designing an API for this - what would
> > the VFS present to userspace, and in what way, and how would backward
> > combatability be maintained?
> 
> But can it be done efficiently above the file system level??
> 
Anything that can be done at the fs level should be doable on the vfs level too.
That is simple to show in theory: You could make the VFS api identical to
the reiser4 api, and reiser4 should continue to work as efficiently as before.

> As far as I understand, Reiser4 has this nice tree structure, which
> means that the part of file selection could be done with almost no extra
> effort, you just attach additional names to inside nodes of the tree, so
> the same tree can be used to store the whole object, and part of the
> same tree can be used to select the object part. Right?
> If you do this above the file system level, I don't think it would have
> such an efficient implementation. Or would it?  Peter

I cannot see why reiser4 should suffer - but of course this might be hard to
implement for other filesystems.

Helge Hafting

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-05-11 10:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-22 13:54 file as a directory Amit Gud
2004-11-22 14:37 ` Martin Waitz
2004-11-22 15:34   ` Zan Lynx
2004-11-22 17:18     ` Martin Waitz
2004-11-22 18:16   ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-22 14:38 ` Al Viro
2004-11-22 15:04 ` Helge Hafting
2004-11-22 17:15   ` Tomas Carnecky
2004-11-22 18:48     ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-24  9:16       ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-24 14:05         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-24 15:02         ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-11-24 15:25           ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-26 16:13             ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-24 16:11           ` Christian Mayrhuber
2004-11-25 10:50             ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-26 18:19               ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-26 21:13                 ` Christian Mayrhuber
2004-11-27 11:09                   ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-27 13:14                     ` Christian Mayrhuber
2004-11-29 21:20                       ` Horst von Brand
2004-11-29 22:59                         ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-29 23:35                           ` Kevin Fox
2004-11-30  8:54                             ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-30 16:28                               ` Kevin Fox
2004-11-30 16:42                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-30 17:35                                   ` Jesse Pollard
2004-11-30 17:49                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-30 18:26                                       ` Amit Gud
2004-11-30 18:39                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-01  2:44                                           ` Scott Young
2004-12-03  9:58                                           ` Amit Gud
2004-11-30 14:51                           ` Horst von Brand
2004-11-30 15:29                             ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-30 16:31                               ` Horst von Brand
2004-11-30 17:03                                 ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-14 16:58                                   ` Peter Foldiak
2004-12-14 17:21                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-14 18:11                                       ` Peter Foldiak
2004-12-14 18:16                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-14 17:24                                     ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-14 21:27                                       ` Peter Foldiak
2004-12-15  4:47                                         ` David Masover
2004-12-15  5:28                                           ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-16  0:16                                             ` David Masover
2004-12-16 18:52                                               ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-17 15:58                                                 ` David Masover
2004-12-17 16:52                                                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-18  1:52                                                     ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-20 17:21                                                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-21  3:40                                                         ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2004-12-21  5:31                                                           ` David Masover
2004-12-21 13:16                                                             ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2004-12-21 16:29                                                           ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-22  0:47                                                             ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2004-12-15  9:27                                           ` Peter Foldiak
2004-12-15 23:56                                             ` David Masover
2004-12-16 18:48                                               ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-16 19:01                                                 ` Peter Foldiak
2004-12-17 18:09                                                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-18  0:20                                                     ` David Masover
2004-12-17 16:02                                                 ` David Masover
2004-12-17 16:54                                                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-15  5:19                                         ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-14 19:30                                     ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-15  4:52                                       ` David Masover
2004-12-15  5:31                                         ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-15  5:10                                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-15 13:28                                         ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-15 16:57                                           ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-15 19:11                                             ` Markus   Törnqvist
2004-12-15 19:11                                               ` mjt
2004-12-15 20:57                                               ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-30 17:03                                 ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-30 17:50                                   ` Horst von Brand
2004-11-30 18:23                                   ` Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando
2004-11-29 23:11                         ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-30  5:53                         ` prymitive
2004-11-30 16:04                   ` Martin Waitz
2004-11-27 12:49                 ` Markus   Törnqvist
2004-11-27 12:49                   ` mjt
2004-11-29 15:41                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-26 17:43         ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-27 11:50         ` Tomasz Torcz
2005-05-10  9:39         ` Peter Foldiak
2005-05-10 14:53           ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-10 15:32             ` Peter Foldiak
2005-05-10 16:30               ` Sean McGrath
2005-05-10 17:25                 ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-10 17:39                   ` Sean McGrath
2005-05-10 18:52                     ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-10 19:39                       ` Sean McGrath
2005-05-10 20:11                         ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-16 12:32               ` Leo Comerford
2005-05-17  1:25                 ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-05-17 22:51                   ` David Masover
2005-05-17 23:57                     ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-05-18 11:46                   ` Leo Comerford
2005-05-18 11:50                   ` Leo Comerford
2005-05-10 15:14           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-10 15:38             ` Peter Foldiak
2005-05-10 17:20               ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-11 10:23               ` Helge Hafting [this message]
2004-11-23  6:20   ` Amit Gud
2004-11-24 10:32     ` Helge Hafting
2004-11-24 11:07       ` Amit Gud
2004-11-25 23:09   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-28 18:53     ` Helge Hafting
2004-11-28 19:01       ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-22 17:59 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-11-22 18:24   ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-22 18:24     ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-22 18:52   ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-22 19:05     ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-23  9:46       ` Amit Gud
2004-11-23 14:00         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-23 14:17           ` Amit Gud
2004-11-23  9:11     ` Dirk Steinberg
2004-11-23  9:37       ` Markus   Törnqvist
2004-11-23  9:37         ` mjt
2004-11-23 19:00       ` Hans Reiser
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2004-11-26  4:11   ` Bodo Eggert

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