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From: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>
To: "Alexander G. M. Smith" <agmsmith@rogers.com>
Cc: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>, reiserfs-list@namesys.com
Subject: Re: file as a directory
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:29:46 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200412211629.iBLGTljB008731@laptop11.inf.utfsm.cl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Message from "Alexander G. M. Smith" <agmsmith@rogers.com>  of "Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:40:10 EDT." <2738999945-BeMail@cr593174-a>

"Alexander G. M. Smith" <agmsmith@rogers.com> said:
> Hans Reiser wrote on Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:21:35 -0800:
> > Ok, go talk to the befs driver guy, and you'll find out he has already 
> > done work on it.

> I just did some work in making a test file system with hard links and
> bidirectional references (files know which directories (plural) they are in).
> It uses a simple graph traversal upon delete to do garbage collection.
> Compared to the sophisticated garbage collection algorithms I was reading
> about at university a decade ago, it's nothing worth writing a paper about!
> But still, there was enough new stuff to make it worth writing a text file:
> http://web.ncf.ca/au829/BeOS/AGMSLinkExplanation.txt

I.e., Stop the world while we traverse the whole thing to find out what (if
something) can be deleted now? An inode has a _huge_ size (or has a list of
parents hanging off it)?

> And if you want, you can read the excessively commented source code,
> including a large passage explaining the delete/rename algorithm, at:
> http://web.ncf.ca/au829/BeOS/AGMSRAMFileSystem20040403.zip

> Horst wrote:
> >> Everthing stuff that works on the assumption that what they are working
> >> on fits in RAM (or can overflow into swap space in a pinch), [...]

> Admittedly my experiment was for a RAM disk.  It can be extended to a real
> disk if the number of inodes in a graph traversal can fit into memory (or
> otherwise can somehow be locked).

Can't guarantee they fit into RAM; can't lock everything down in a _huge_
disk being used by lots of processes (the system would grind to a halt).

>                                     If that doesn't work, then the user
> would have to delete individual files before removing a directory cycle.

How does the user know that this is a directory cycle being removed? Also,
while I nuke a particular link into the cycle, somebody else could be
creating a new one...

Nice prototype. Can we now go back to real filesystems?
-- 
Dr. Horst H. von Brand                   User #22616 counter.li.org
Departamento de Informatica                     Fono: +56 32 654431
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-12-21 16:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-22 13:54 file as a directory Amit Gud
2004-11-22 14:37 ` Martin Waitz
2004-11-22 15:34   ` Zan Lynx
2004-11-22 17:18     ` Martin Waitz
2004-11-22 18:16   ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-22 14:38 ` Al Viro
2004-11-22 15:04 ` Helge Hafting
2004-11-22 17:15   ` Tomas Carnecky
2004-11-22 18:48     ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-24  9:16       ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-24 14:05         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-24 15:02         ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-11-24 15:25           ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-26 16:13             ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-24 16:11           ` Christian Mayrhuber
2004-11-25 10:50             ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-26 18:19               ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-26 21:13                 ` Christian Mayrhuber
2004-11-27 11:09                   ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-27 13:14                     ` Christian Mayrhuber
2004-11-29 21:20                       ` Horst von Brand
2004-11-29 22:59                         ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-29 23:35                           ` Kevin Fox
2004-11-30  8:54                             ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-30 16:28                               ` Kevin Fox
2004-11-30 16:42                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-30 17:35                                   ` Jesse Pollard
2004-11-30 17:49                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-30 18:26                                       ` Amit Gud
2004-11-30 18:39                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-01  2:44                                           ` Scott Young
2004-12-03  9:58                                           ` Amit Gud
2004-11-30 14:51                           ` Horst von Brand
2004-11-30 15:29                             ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-30 16:31                               ` Horst von Brand
2004-11-30 17:03                                 ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-14 16:58                                   ` Peter Foldiak
2004-12-14 17:21                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-14 18:11                                       ` Peter Foldiak
2004-12-14 18:16                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-14 17:24                                     ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-14 21:27                                       ` Peter Foldiak
2004-12-15  4:47                                         ` David Masover
2004-12-15  5:28                                           ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-16  0:16                                             ` David Masover
2004-12-16 18:52                                               ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-17 15:58                                                 ` David Masover
2004-12-17 16:52                                                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-18  1:52                                                     ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-20 17:21                                                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-21  3:40                                                         ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2004-12-21  5:31                                                           ` David Masover
2004-12-21 13:16                                                             ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2004-12-21 16:29                                                           ` Horst von Brand [this message]
2004-12-22  0:47                                                             ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2004-12-15  9:27                                           ` Peter Foldiak
2004-12-15 23:56                                             ` David Masover
2004-12-16 18:48                                               ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-16 19:01                                                 ` Peter Foldiak
2004-12-17 18:09                                                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-18  0:20                                                     ` David Masover
2004-12-17 16:02                                                 ` David Masover
2004-12-17 16:54                                                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-15  5:19                                         ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-14 19:30                                     ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-15  4:52                                       ` David Masover
2004-12-15  5:31                                         ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-15  5:10                                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-15 13:28                                         ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-15 16:57                                           ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-15 19:11                                             ` Markus   Törnqvist
2004-12-15 19:11                                               ` mjt
2004-12-15 20:57                                               ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-30 17:03                                 ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-30 17:50                                   ` Horst von Brand
2004-11-30 18:23                                   ` Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando
2004-11-29 23:11                         ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-30  5:53                         ` prymitive
2004-11-30 16:04                   ` Martin Waitz
2004-11-27 12:49                 ` Markus   Törnqvist
2004-11-27 12:49                   ` mjt
2004-11-29 15:41                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-26 17:43         ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-27 11:50         ` Tomasz Torcz
2005-05-10  9:39         ` Peter Foldiak
2005-05-10 14:53           ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-10 15:32             ` Peter Foldiak
2005-05-10 16:30               ` Sean McGrath
2005-05-10 17:25                 ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-10 17:39                   ` Sean McGrath
2005-05-10 18:52                     ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-10 19:39                       ` Sean McGrath
2005-05-10 20:11                         ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-16 12:32               ` Leo Comerford
2005-05-17  1:25                 ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-05-17 22:51                   ` David Masover
2005-05-17 23:57                     ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-05-18 11:46                   ` Leo Comerford
2005-05-18 11:50                   ` Leo Comerford
2005-05-10 15:14           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-10 15:38             ` Peter Foldiak
2005-05-10 17:20               ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-11 10:23               ` Helge Hafting
2004-11-23  6:20   ` Amit Gud
2004-11-24 10:32     ` Helge Hafting
2004-11-24 11:07       ` Amit Gud
2004-11-25 23:09   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-28 18:53     ` Helge Hafting
2004-11-28 19:01       ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-22 17:59 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-11-22 18:24   ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-22 18:24     ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-22 18:52   ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-22 19:05     ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-23  9:46       ` Amit Gud
2004-11-23 14:00         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-23 14:17           ` Amit Gud
2004-11-23  9:11     ` Dirk Steinberg
2004-11-23  9:37       ` Markus   Törnqvist
2004-11-23  9:37         ` mjt
2004-11-23 19:00       ` Hans Reiser
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     [not found] ` <fa.hcr9rb0.k6egam@ifi.uio.no>
2004-11-26  4:11   ` Bodo Eggert

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