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From: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@aitel.hist.no>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Helge Hafting <helge.hafting@hist.no>,
	Amit Gud <amitgud1@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, reiserfs-list@namesys.com
Subject: Re: file as a directory
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:53:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041128185334.GA5329@hh.idb.hist.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041125230937.GA2909@elf.ucw.cz>

On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 12:09:37AM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
> > >
> > You won't get .tar or .tar.gz support in the VFS, for a few simple reasons:
> > 1. .tar and .tar.gz are complicated formats, and are therefore better
> >   left to userland.  You can get some of the same effect by using a shared
> >   library that redefines fopen() and fread() though.  It'll work fine for
> >   the vast majority of apps that happens to use the C library.
> 
> It is not same effect -- with shared library you get no caching. And
> that hurts a lot.
> 
The compressed file is still cached, and the library can cache
file contents in a shared mapping.  It does not have to
be a per-process thing.

> >   It is hard to make a guaranteed bug-free decompressor that
> >   is efficient and works with a finite amount of memory.  The kernel
> >   needs all that - userland doesn't.
> 
> If you have bug in decompressor, you are screwed, anyway, because you
> get remote user exploit when mozilla gets the file from
> web. Oops. [Ok, you at least do not get remote root exploit, but...]
> 
I don't worry about mozilla exploits - you get those from
nasty webpages as well.  I worried about a decompressor
cras (or random memory overwrite).  A userland implementation
will crash that particular userland process, with no ill effects on 
the rest of the system. 

A kernelside crash is much worse - it can hang the kernel and/or
mess up any process.  As for exploits - an in-kernel exploit
is even worse than a root exploit.  There are plenty
of thing even root can't do - at least not in 
straightforward ways.  The kernel has no limitations
whatsoever for what may go wrong.

Helge Hafting

  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-28 18:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-22 13:54 file as a directory Amit Gud
2004-11-22 14:37 ` Martin Waitz
2004-11-22 15:34   ` Zan Lynx
2004-11-22 17:18     ` Martin Waitz
2004-11-22 18:16   ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-22 14:38 ` Al Viro
2004-11-22 15:04 ` Helge Hafting
2004-11-22 17:15   ` Tomas Carnecky
2004-11-22 18:48     ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-24  9:16       ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-24 14:05         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-24 15:02         ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-11-24 15:25           ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-26 16:13             ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-24 16:11           ` Christian Mayrhuber
2004-11-25 10:50             ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-26 18:19               ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-26 21:13                 ` Christian Mayrhuber
2004-11-27 11:09                   ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-27 13:14                     ` Christian Mayrhuber
2004-11-29 21:20                       ` Horst von Brand
2004-11-29 22:59                         ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-29 23:35                           ` Kevin Fox
2004-11-30  8:54                             ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-30 16:28                               ` Kevin Fox
2004-11-30 16:42                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-30 17:35                                   ` Jesse Pollard
2004-11-30 17:49                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-30 18:26                                       ` Amit Gud
2004-11-30 18:39                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-01  2:44                                           ` Scott Young
2004-12-03  9:58                                           ` Amit Gud
2004-11-30 14:51                           ` Horst von Brand
2004-11-30 15:29                             ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-30 16:31                               ` Horst von Brand
2004-11-30 17:03                                 ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-14 16:58                                   ` Peter Foldiak
2004-12-14 17:21                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-14 18:11                                       ` Peter Foldiak
2004-12-14 18:16                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-14 17:24                                     ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-14 21:27                                       ` Peter Foldiak
2004-12-15  4:47                                         ` David Masover
2004-12-15  5:28                                           ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-16  0:16                                             ` David Masover
2004-12-16 18:52                                               ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-17 15:58                                                 ` David Masover
2004-12-17 16:52                                                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-18  1:52                                                     ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-20 17:21                                                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-21  3:40                                                         ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2004-12-21  5:31                                                           ` David Masover
2004-12-21 13:16                                                             ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2004-12-21 16:29                                                           ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-22  0:47                                                             ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2004-12-15  9:27                                           ` Peter Foldiak
2004-12-15 23:56                                             ` David Masover
2004-12-16 18:48                                               ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-16 19:01                                                 ` Peter Foldiak
2004-12-17 18:09                                                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-18  0:20                                                     ` David Masover
2004-12-17 16:02                                                 ` David Masover
2004-12-17 16:54                                                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-15  5:19                                         ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-14 19:30                                     ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-15  4:52                                       ` David Masover
2004-12-15  5:31                                         ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-15  5:10                                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-15 13:28                                         ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-15 16:57                                           ` Hans Reiser
2004-12-15 19:11                                             ` Markus   Törnqvist
2004-12-15 19:11                                               ` mjt
2004-12-15 20:57                                               ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-30 17:03                                 ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-30 17:50                                   ` Horst von Brand
2004-11-30 18:23                                   ` Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando
2004-11-29 23:11                         ` Peter Foldiak
2004-11-30  5:53                         ` prymitive
2004-11-30 16:04                   ` Martin Waitz
2004-11-27 12:49                 ` Markus   Törnqvist
2004-11-27 12:49                   ` mjt
2004-11-29 15:41                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-26 17:43         ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-27 11:50         ` Tomasz Torcz
2005-05-10  9:39         ` Peter Foldiak
2005-05-10 14:53           ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-10 15:32             ` Peter Foldiak
2005-05-10 16:30               ` Sean McGrath
2005-05-10 17:25                 ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-10 17:39                   ` Sean McGrath
2005-05-10 18:52                     ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-10 19:39                       ` Sean McGrath
2005-05-10 20:11                         ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-16 12:32               ` Leo Comerford
2005-05-17  1:25                 ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-05-17 22:51                   ` David Masover
2005-05-17 23:57                     ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2005-05-18 11:46                   ` Leo Comerford
2005-05-18 11:50                   ` Leo Comerford
2005-05-10 15:14           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-10 15:38             ` Peter Foldiak
2005-05-10 17:20               ` Hans Reiser
2005-05-11 10:23               ` Helge Hafting
2004-11-23  6:20   ` Amit Gud
2004-11-24 10:32     ` Helge Hafting
2004-11-24 11:07       ` Amit Gud
2004-11-25 23:09   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-28 18:53     ` Helge Hafting [this message]
2004-11-28 19:01       ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-22 17:59 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-11-22 18:24   ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-22 18:24     ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-22 18:52   ` Hans Reiser
2004-11-22 19:05     ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-23  9:46       ` Amit Gud
2004-11-23 14:00         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-23 14:17           ` Amit Gud
2004-11-23  9:11     ` Dirk Steinberg
2004-11-23  9:37       ` Markus   Törnqvist
2004-11-23  9:37         ` mjt
2004-11-23 19:00       ` Hans Reiser
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     [not found] ` <fa.hcr9rb0.k6egam@ifi.uio.no>
2004-11-26  4:11   ` Bodo Eggert

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