* [mlmmj] Resent-From + subonlypost
@ 2010-04-07 23:07 Sabahattin Gucukoglu
2010-04-10 19:34 ` Morten Shearman Kirkegaard
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From: Sabahattin Gucukoglu @ 2010-04-07 23:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
Hi all,
One of my lists is a news update list for friends. Sometimes I "Redirect" (RFC 5322 Resent-* fields) directly to my list. The From: header thus is the original From:. You might guess the problem: I'll redirect, then because subonlypost is set, a bounce will confuse the original sender.
Please can mlmmj support the Resent-From for the checks requiring a check against the original sender prior to the From: field?
As an aside, I'm using TMDA; many TMDA users will be using From as I do, to hold the original address. So mlmmj works well for action required by or posts received from a TMDA user, such as this one.
BTW: would it be possible to implement nomail subscription automatically using a response to an initial post? This would allow non-members to easily CC a list when reply-all'ing on a thread containing that list. I saw discussion from 2004 about that, only nothing seems to have come of it.
Cheers,
Sabahattin
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* Re: [mlmmj] Resent-From + subonlypost
2010-04-07 23:07 [mlmmj] Resent-From + subonlypost Sabahattin Gucukoglu
@ 2010-04-10 19:34 ` Morten Shearman Kirkegaard
2010-04-11 23:32 ` Sabahattin Gucukoglu
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From: Morten Shearman Kirkegaard @ 2010-04-10 19:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
Hi Sabahattin,
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 00:07 +0100, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
> Sometimes I "Redirect" (RFC 5322 Resent-* fields) directly to my list.
> The From: header thus is the original From:. You might guess the
> problem: I'll redirect, then because subonlypost is set, a bounce will
> confuse the original sender.
>
> Please can mlmmj support the Resent-From for the checks requiring a
> check against the original sender prior to the From: field?
No.
Quoting RFC 5322:
Resent fields are strictly informational. They MUST NOT be used in the
normal processing of replies or other such automatic actions on
messages.
> BTW: would it be possible to implement nomail subscription
> automatically using a response to an initial post?
Could you rephrase that?
Best regards,
Morten
--
Morten Shearman Kirkegaard <moki@fabletech.com>
CTO, FableTech
http://fabletech.com/
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* Re: [mlmmj] Resent-From + subonlypost
2010-04-07 23:07 [mlmmj] Resent-From + subonlypost Sabahattin Gucukoglu
2010-04-10 19:34 ` Morten Shearman Kirkegaard
@ 2010-04-11 23:32 ` Sabahattin Gucukoglu
2010-04-13 5:31 ` Morten Shearman Kirkegaard
2010-04-14 20:07 ` Sabahattin Gucukoglu
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From: Sabahattin Gucukoglu @ 2010-04-11 23:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
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On 10 Apr 2010, at 20:34, Morten Shearman Kirkegaard wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 00:07 +0100, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>> Sometimes I "Redirect" (RFC 5322 Resent-* fields) directly to my list.
>> The From: header thus is the original From:. You might guess the
>> problem: I'll redirect, then because subonlypost is set, a bounce will
>> confuse the original sender.
>>
>> Please can mlmmj support the Resent-From for the checks requiring a
>> check against the original sender prior to the From: field?
>
> No.
>
> Quoting RFC 5322:
>
> Resent fields are strictly informational. They MUST NOT be used in the
> normal processing of replies or other such automatic actions on
> messages.
That's right. So how does this prevent using Resent-From before From? (Remember, you don't ever use those fields for any kind of non-delivery notifications, only the return address, envelope sender.)
> BTW: would it be possible to implement nomail subscription
>> automatically using a response to an initial post?
>
> Could you rephrase that?
The idea is, sometimes someone wants to reply-all, including to a list, when they get into a thread someone quotes a list on. Given the chance they may not want to subscribe but would, one time, reply to a message asking them if they want to post (like Dan's qsecretary). When they reply, they get subscribed nomail, and the original post goes through. So it's a bit like TMDA in front of a list, only much faster and more useful. :-)
Cheers,
Sabahattin
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* Re: [mlmmj] Resent-From + subonlypost
2010-04-07 23:07 [mlmmj] Resent-From + subonlypost Sabahattin Gucukoglu
2010-04-10 19:34 ` Morten Shearman Kirkegaard
2010-04-11 23:32 ` Sabahattin Gucukoglu
@ 2010-04-13 5:31 ` Morten Shearman Kirkegaard
2010-04-14 20:07 ` Sabahattin Gucukoglu
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From: Morten Shearman Kirkegaard @ 2010-04-13 5:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 00:32 +0100, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
> On 10 Apr 2010, at 20:34, Morten Shearman Kirkegaard wrote:
> > They MUST NOT be used in
...
> > other such automatic actions on messages.
>
> That's right. So how does this prevent using Resent-From before From?
That's how.
> sometimes someone wants to reply-all, including to a list,
> when they get into a thread someone quotes a list on. Given the
> chance they may not want to subscribe but would, one time, reply to a
> message asking them if they want to post (like Dan's qsecretary).
> When they reply, they get subscribed nomail, and the original post
> goes through.
Holding the original mail and releasing it when the sender subscribes
would require some changes, but it's doable. Automatically sending a
subscription request shouldn't be too hard. Patches are welcome.
Morten
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Morten Shearman Kirkegaard <moki@fabletech.com>
CTO, FableTech
http://fabletech.com/
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* Re: [mlmmj] Resent-From + subonlypost
2010-04-07 23:07 [mlmmj] Resent-From + subonlypost Sabahattin Gucukoglu
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2010-04-13 5:31 ` Morten Shearman Kirkegaard
@ 2010-04-14 20:07 ` Sabahattin Gucukoglu
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From: Sabahattin Gucukoglu @ 2010-04-14 20:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mlmmj
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On 13 Apr 2010, at 06:31, Morten Shearman Kirkegaard wrote:
On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 00:32 +0100, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>> On 10 Apr 2010, at 20:34, Morten Shearman Kirkegaard wrote:
>>> They MUST NOT be used in
> ....
>>> other such automatic actions on messages.
>>
>> That's right. So how does this prevent using Resent-From before From?
>
> That's how.
Okay, in case there was any doubt or misunderstanding on either side I brought it to YAM. Here's the thread start:
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/yam/current/msg00410.html
You can choose either behaviour, but I'll look at patching mine.
> sometimes someone wants to reply-all, including to a list,
>> when they get into a thread someone quotes a list on. Given the
>> chance they may not want to subscribe but would, one time, reply to a
>> message asking them if they want to post (like Dan's qsecretary).
>> When they reply, they get subscribed nomail, and the original post
>> goes through.
>
> Holding the original mail and releasing it when the sender subscribes
> would require some changes, but it's doable. Automatically sending a
> subscription request shouldn't be too hard. Patches are welcome.
Looking into it.
Cheers,
Sabahattin
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