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From: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Lennart Poettering <mzxreary@0pointer.de>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-man@vger.kernel.org, roland@hack.frob.com
Subject: Re: + prctl-add-pr_setget_child_reaper-to-allow-simple-process-supervision .patch added to -mm tree
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 02:48:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1313714913.29251.7.camel@mop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFyFnMRMuWSSpytwvpk9u5YysMRfTRELyhGX9grWbGyi6Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 2011-08-18 at 15:22 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org> wrote:
> >
> > It will be used for all new service managers. UNIX is a pain if you want
> > to watch your children regarding double-forking, if you are not init.
> 
> I'll believe that "all new service managers" when I see it. Until
> then, a new feature is just that - a new feature. Which nobody uses.

That feature will be used in Fedora 17 if we get that properly working.
Promised!

So far we have a pretty good track record in immediately using the stuff
we add to the kernel. People working on the other side usually complain
that we always require such new kernels. :)

> > If you want, we can make the forked processes inherit a flag if the
> > 'subreaper' should be looked up at all. Then we have almost zero
> > overhead if the feature isn't used. You think that's needed?
> 
> Yes, I do. Because with any current system, that "almost zero
> overhead" is just totally wasted effort entirely for zero gain. Which
> just makes me go "Eww".

Yeah, understood. I'll change it with the next round, and we can see how
to go from there.

Thanks,
Kay


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From: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers-tD+1rO4QERM@public.gmane.org>
To: Linus Torvalds
	<torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Lennart Poettering
	<mzxreary-uLTowLwuiw4b1SvskN2V4Q@public.gmane.org>,
	akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-man-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	roland-/Z5OmTQCD9xF6kxbq+BtvQ@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: + prctl-add-pr_setget_child_reaper-to-allow-simple-process-supervision .patch added to -mm tree
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 02:48:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1313714913.29251.7.camel@mop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFyFnMRMuWSSpytwvpk9u5YysMRfTRELyhGX9grWbGyi6Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, 2011-08-18 at 15:22 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Kay Sievers <kay.sievers-tD+1rO4QERM@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >
> > It will be used for all new service managers. UNIX is a pain if you want
> > to watch your children regarding double-forking, if you are not init.
> 
> I'll believe that "all new service managers" when I see it. Until
> then, a new feature is just that - a new feature. Which nobody uses.

That feature will be used in Fedora 17 if we get that properly working.
Promised!

So far we have a pretty good track record in immediately using the stuff
we add to the kernel. People working on the other side usually complain
that we always require such new kernels. :)

> > If you want, we can make the forked processes inherit a flag if the
> > 'subreaper' should be looked up at all. Then we have almost zero
> > overhead if the feature isn't used. You think that's needed?
> 
> Yes, I do. Because with any current system, that "almost zero
> overhead" is just totally wasted effort entirely for zero gain. Which
> just makes me go "Eww".

Yeah, understood. I'll change it with the next round, and we can see how
to go from there.

Thanks,
Kay

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-08-19  0:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-16 20:11 + prctl-add-pr_setget_child_reaper-to-allow-simple-process-supervision.patch added to -mm tree akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b
2011-08-17 11:55 ` + prctl-add-pr_setget_child_reaper-to-allow-simple-process-supervision .patch " Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 11:55   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 13:05   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 13:05     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 13:21     ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-17 13:21       ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-17 13:37       ` Alan Cox
2011-08-17 13:37         ` Alan Cox
2011-08-23  0:30         ` Colin Walters
2011-08-23  0:30           ` Colin Walters
2011-08-17 14:16       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 14:16         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 16:03       ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-08-17 16:03         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-08-17 13:13   ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-17 13:45     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 13:45       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 15:45       ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-17 15:45         ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-17 15:53         ` Alan Cox
2011-08-17 15:53           ` Alan Cox
2011-08-17 16:20         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 16:20           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 16:47           ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-17 16:47             ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-17 18:57             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 18:57               ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 20:56               ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-17 20:56                 ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-18 12:43       ` Lennart Poettering
2011-08-18 12:43         ` Lennart Poettering
2011-08-18 14:25         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-18 14:25           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-18 18:11           ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-18 18:48             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-18 18:48               ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-19  1:31               ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-19  1:31                 ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-19 12:25                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-19 12:25                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-19 12:44                   ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-19 12:44                     ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-19 13:13                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-19 13:13                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-19 14:20                       ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-19 14:58                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-19 14:58                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-20 15:33                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-20 15:33                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-21 18:33                             ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-22 11:14                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-22 11:14                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-22 23:48                                 ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-22 23:48                                   ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-18 21:23             ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-18 21:23               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-18 21:55               ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-18 21:55                 ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-18 22:22                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-18 22:22                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-19  0:48                   ` Kay Sievers [this message]
2011-08-19  0:48                     ` Kay Sievers

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