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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: akpm@linux-foundation.org
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, lennart@poettering.net,
	kay.sievers@vrfy.org, linux-man@vger.kernel.org,
	roland@hack.frob.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: + prctl-add-pr_setget_child_reaper-to-allow-simple-process-supervision .patch added to -mm tree
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:05:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110817130531.GA12204@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110817115543.GA8745@redhat.com>

On 08/17, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>
> On 08/16, Andrew Morton wrote:
> >
> > From: Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.net>
> >
> > Userspace service managers/supervisors need to track their started
> > services.  Many services daemonize by double-forking and get implicitely
> > re-parented to PID 1.  The process manager will no longer be able to
> > receive the SIGCHLD signals for them.
> >
> > With this prctl, a service manager can mark itself as a sort of 'sub-init'
> > process, able to stay as the parent process for all processes created by
> > the started services.  All SIGCHLD signals will be delivered to the
> > service manager.
>
> I try to never argue with the new features. But to be honest, this
> doesn't look very good to me.
>
> OK, a service manager M does prctl(PR_SET_CHILD_REAPER), then it forks
> a service X which forks another child C and exits. Then C exits and
> notifies M.
>
> But. How can M know that the service X should be restarted? It only
> knows the pid. What if wait(WEXITED) succeeds because C in turn does
> fork + exit? What M has 2 or more services?

Also. I am almost sure I have already reviewed a very similar patch
a long ago. Ungortunately, I can't find the previous discussion, and
I can't recall why that patch was not accepted.

But, I seem to remember, that patch cleared ->child_reaper on exec,
I think this makes sense.

And I am not sure about security. No, I do not see any problems, just
I don't know. Say, should we check the creds during reparenting? I
dunno.

Oleg.


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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org
Cc: linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	lennart-mdGvqq1h2p+GdvJs77BJ7Q@public.gmane.org,
	kay.sievers-tD+1rO4QERM@public.gmane.org,
	linux-man-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	roland-/Z5OmTQCD9xF6kxbq+BtvQ@public.gmane.org,
	torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: + prctl-add-pr_setget_child_reaper-to-allow-simple-process-supervision .patch added to -mm tree
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:05:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110817130531.GA12204@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110817115543.GA8745-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

On 08/17, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>
> On 08/16, Andrew Morton wrote:
> >
> > From: Lennart Poettering <lennart-mdGvqq1h2p+GdvJs77BJ7Q@public.gmane.org>
> >
> > Userspace service managers/supervisors need to track their started
> > services.  Many services daemonize by double-forking and get implicitely
> > re-parented to PID 1.  The process manager will no longer be able to
> > receive the SIGCHLD signals for them.
> >
> > With this prctl, a service manager can mark itself as a sort of 'sub-init'
> > process, able to stay as the parent process for all processes created by
> > the started services.  All SIGCHLD signals will be delivered to the
> > service manager.
>
> I try to never argue with the new features. But to be honest, this
> doesn't look very good to me.
>
> OK, a service manager M does prctl(PR_SET_CHILD_REAPER), then it forks
> a service X which forks another child C and exits. Then C exits and
> notifies M.
>
> But. How can M know that the service X should be restarted? It only
> knows the pid. What if wait(WEXITED) succeeds because C in turn does
> fork + exit? What M has 2 or more services?

Also. I am almost sure I have already reviewed a very similar patch
a long ago. Ungortunately, I can't find the previous discussion, and
I can't recall why that patch was not accepted.

But, I seem to remember, that patch cleared ->child_reaper on exec,
I think this makes sense.

And I am not sure about security. No, I do not see any problems, just
I don't know. Say, should we check the creds during reparenting? I
dunno.

Oleg.

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-08-17 13:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-16 20:11 + prctl-add-pr_setget_child_reaper-to-allow-simple-process-supervision.patch added to -mm tree akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b
2011-08-17 11:55 ` + prctl-add-pr_setget_child_reaper-to-allow-simple-process-supervision .patch " Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 11:55   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 13:05   ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2011-08-17 13:05     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 13:21     ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-17 13:21       ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-17 13:37       ` Alan Cox
2011-08-17 13:37         ` Alan Cox
2011-08-23  0:30         ` Colin Walters
2011-08-23  0:30           ` Colin Walters
2011-08-17 14:16       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 14:16         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 16:03       ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-08-17 16:03         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-08-17 13:13   ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-17 13:45     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 13:45       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 15:45       ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-17 15:45         ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-17 15:53         ` Alan Cox
2011-08-17 15:53           ` Alan Cox
2011-08-17 16:20         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 16:20           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 16:47           ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-17 16:47             ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-17 18:57             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 18:57               ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-17 20:56               ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-17 20:56                 ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-18 12:43       ` Lennart Poettering
2011-08-18 12:43         ` Lennart Poettering
2011-08-18 14:25         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-18 14:25           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-18 18:11           ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-18 18:48             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-18 18:48               ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-19  1:31               ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-19  1:31                 ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-19 12:25                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-19 12:25                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-19 12:44                   ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-19 12:44                     ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-19 13:13                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-19 13:13                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-19 14:20                       ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-19 14:58                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-19 14:58                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-20 15:33                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-20 15:33                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-21 18:33                             ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-22 11:14                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-22 11:14                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-22 23:48                                 ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-22 23:48                                   ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-18 21:23             ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-18 21:23               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-18 21:55               ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-18 21:55                 ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-18 22:22                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-18 22:22                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-19  0:48                   ` Kay Sievers
2011-08-19  0:48                     ` Kay Sievers

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