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From: Laura Abbott <labbott@redhat.com>
To: Igor Stoppa <igor.stoppa@huawei.com>, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Boris Lukashev <blukashev@sempervictus.com>,
	Christopher Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-security-module <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kernel Hardening <kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 4/6] Protectable Memory
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 10:10:13 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13a50f85-bbd8-5d78-915a-a29c4a9f0c32@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5a83024c.64369d0a.a1e94.cdd6SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>

On 02/13/2018 07:20 AM, Igor Stoppa wrote:
> Why alterations of page properties are not considered a risk and the physmap is?
> And how would it be easier (i suppose) to attack the latter?

Alterations are certainly a risk but with the physmap the
mapping is already there. Find the address and you have
access vs. needing to actually modify the properties
then do the access. I could also be complete off base
on my threat model here so please correct me if I'm
wrong.

I think your other summaries are good points though
and should go in the cover letter.

Thanks,
Laura

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From: labbott@redhat.com (Laura Abbott)
To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 4/6] Protectable Memory
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 10:10:13 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13a50f85-bbd8-5d78-915a-a29c4a9f0c32@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5a83024c.64369d0a.a1e94.cdd6SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>

On 02/13/2018 07:20 AM, Igor Stoppa wrote:
> Why alterations of page properties are not considered a risk and the physmap is?
> And how would it be easier (i suppose) to attack the latter?

Alterations are certainly a risk but with the physmap the
mapping is already there. Find the address and you have
access vs. needing to actually modify the properties
then do the access. I could also be complete off base
on my threat model here so please correct me if I'm
wrong.

I think your other summaries are good points though
and should go in the cover letter.

Thanks,
Laura
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From: Laura Abbott <labbott@redhat.com>
To: Igor Stoppa <igor.stoppa@huawei.com>, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Boris Lukashev <blukashev@sempervictus.com>,
	Christopher Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-security-module <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kernel Hardening <kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 4/6] Protectable Memory
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 10:10:13 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13a50f85-bbd8-5d78-915a-a29c4a9f0c32@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5a83024c.64369d0a.a1e94.cdd6SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>

On 02/13/2018 07:20 AM, Igor Stoppa wrote:
> Why alterations of page properties are not considered a risk and the physmap is?
> And how would it be easier (i suppose) to attack the latter?

Alterations are certainly a risk but with the physmap the
mapping is already there. Find the address and you have
access vs. needing to actually modify the properties
then do the access. I could also be complete off base
on my threat model here so please correct me if I'm
wrong.

I think your other summaries are good points though
and should go in the cover letter.

Thanks,
Laura

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-02-13 18:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 171+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-24 17:56 [kernel-hardening] [RFC PATCH v11 0/6] mm: security: ro protection for dynamic data Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56 ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56 ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56 ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 1/6] genalloc: track beginning of allocations Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56   ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56   ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56   ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 2/6] genalloc: selftest Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56   ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56   ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56   ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 3/6] struct page: add field for vm_struct Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56   ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56   ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56   ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 4/6] Protectable Memory Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56   ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56   ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56   ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 19:10   ` [kernel-hardening] " Jann Horn
2018-01-24 19:10     ` Jann Horn
2018-01-24 19:10     ` Jann Horn
2018-01-25 11:59     ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-25 11:59       ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-25 11:59       ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-25 11:59       ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-25 15:14       ` Boris Lukashev
2018-01-25 15:14         ` Boris Lukashev
2018-01-25 15:14         ` Boris Lukashev
2018-01-25 15:38         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-01-25 15:38           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-01-25 15:38           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-01-26 12:28           ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-26 12:28             ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-26 12:28             ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-26 16:36             ` Boris Lukashev
2018-01-26 16:36               ` Boris Lukashev
2018-01-26 16:36               ` Boris Lukashev
2018-01-30 13:46               ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-30 13:46                 ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-30 13:46                 ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-26  5:35     ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-01-26  5:35       ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-01-26  5:35       ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-01-26 11:46       ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-26 11:46         ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-26 11:46         ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-26 11:46         ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-02 18:39       ` Christopher Lameter
2018-02-02 18:39         ` Christopher Lameter
2018-02-02 18:39         ` Christopher Lameter
2018-02-03 15:38         ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-03 15:38           ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-03 15:38           ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-03 15:38           ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-03 19:57           ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-03 19:57             ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-03 19:57             ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-03 19:57             ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-03 20:12             ` Boris Lukashev
2018-02-03 20:12               ` Boris Lukashev
2018-02-03 20:12               ` Boris Lukashev
2018-02-03 20:32               ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-03 20:32                 ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-03 20:32                 ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-03 22:29                 ` Boris Lukashev
2018-02-03 22:29                   ` Boris Lukashev
2018-02-03 22:29                   ` Boris Lukashev
2018-02-04 15:05                   ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-04 15:05                     ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-04 15:05                     ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-12 23:27                     ` Kees Cook
2018-02-12 23:27                       ` Kees Cook
2018-02-12 23:27                       ` Kees Cook
2018-02-13  0:40                       ` Laura Abbott
2018-02-13  0:40                         ` Laura Abbott
2018-02-13  0:40                         ` Laura Abbott
2018-02-13  1:25                         ` Kees Cook
2018-02-13  1:25                           ` Kees Cook
2018-02-13  1:25                           ` Kees Cook
2018-02-13  3:39                           ` Jann Horn
2018-02-13  3:39                             ` Jann Horn
2018-02-13  3:39                             ` Jann Horn
2018-02-13 16:09                             ` Laura Abbott
2018-02-13 16:09                               ` Laura Abbott
2018-02-13 16:09                               ` Laura Abbott
2018-02-13 21:43                               ` Kees Cook
2018-02-13 21:43                                 ` Kees Cook
2018-02-13 21:43                                 ` Kees Cook
2018-02-14 19:06                                 ` arm64 physmap (was Re: [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 4/6] Protectable Memory) Laura Abbott
2018-02-14 19:06                                   ` Laura Abbott
2018-02-14 19:06                                   ` Laura Abbott
2018-02-14 19:06                                   ` Laura Abbott
2018-02-14 19:28                                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-02-14 19:28                                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-02-14 19:28                                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-02-14 19:28                                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-02-14 20:13                                     ` Laura Abbott
2018-02-14 20:13                                       ` Laura Abbott
2018-02-14 20:13                                       ` Laura Abbott
2018-02-14 20:13                                       ` Laura Abbott
2018-02-14 19:29                                   ` Kees Cook
2018-02-14 19:29                                     ` Kees Cook
2018-02-14 19:29                                     ` Kees Cook
2018-02-14 19:29                                     ` Kees Cook
2018-02-14 19:35                                     ` Kees Cook
2018-02-14 19:35                                       ` Kees Cook
2018-02-14 19:35                                       ` Kees Cook
2018-02-14 19:35                                       ` Kees Cook
2018-02-20 16:28                                     ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-20 16:28                                       ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-20 16:28                                       ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-20 16:28                                       ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-21 22:22                                       ` Kees Cook
2018-02-21 22:22                                         ` Kees Cook
2018-02-21 22:22                                         ` Kees Cook
2018-02-21 22:22                                         ` Kees Cook
2018-02-14 19:48                                   ` Kees Cook
2018-02-14 19:48                                     ` Kees Cook
2018-02-14 19:48                                     ` Kees Cook
2018-02-14 19:48                                     ` Kees Cook
2018-02-14 22:13                                     ` Tycho Andersen
2018-02-14 22:13                                       ` Tycho Andersen
2018-02-14 22:13                                       ` Tycho Andersen
2018-02-14 22:13                                       ` Tycho Andersen
2018-02-14 22:27                                       ` Kees Cook
2018-02-14 22:27                                         ` Kees Cook
2018-02-14 22:27                                         ` Kees Cook
2018-02-14 22:27                                         ` Kees Cook
2018-02-13 15:20                         ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 4/6] Protectable Memory Igor Stoppa
2018-02-13 15:20                         ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-13 15:20                         ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-13 15:20                         ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-13 15:20                         ` [kernel-hardening] " Igor Stoppa
     [not found]                         ` <5a83024c.64369d0a.a1e94.cdd6SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2018-02-13 18:10                           ` Laura Abbott [this message]
2018-02-13 18:10                             ` Laura Abbott
2018-02-13 18:10                             ` Laura Abbott
2018-02-20 17:16                             ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-20 17:16                               ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-20 17:16                               ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-21 22:37                               ` Kees Cook
2018-02-21 22:37                                 ` Kees Cook
2018-02-21 22:37                                 ` Kees Cook
2018-02-05 15:40           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-02-05 15:40             ` Christopher Lameter
2018-02-05 15:40             ` Christopher Lameter
2018-02-09 11:17             ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-09 11:17               ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-09 11:17               ` Igor Stoppa
2018-02-09 11:17               ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-26 19:41   ` [kernel-hardening] " Igor Stoppa
2018-01-26 19:41     ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-26 19:41     ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-26 19:41     ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 5/6] Documentation for Pmalloc Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56   ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56   ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56   ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 19:14   ` [kernel-hardening] " Ralph Campbell
2018-01-24 19:14     ` Ralph Campbell
2018-01-24 19:14     ` Ralph Campbell
2018-01-24 19:14     ` Ralph Campbell
2018-01-25  7:53     ` [kernel-hardening] " Igor Stoppa
2018-01-25  7:53       ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-25  7:53       ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-25  7:53       ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 6/6] Pmalloc: self-test Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56   ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56   ` Igor Stoppa
2018-01-24 17:56   ` Igor Stoppa

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