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From: Colin Walters <walters-gPq2gbYjIk8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman"
	<ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux Containers
	<containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Seth Forshee
	<seth.forshee-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>,
	Nikolay Borisov <kernel-6AxghH7DbtA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Jann Horn <jann-XZ1E9jl8jIdeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/10] userns: sysctl limits for namespaces
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:33:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1469194399.3817016.673814953.7581706C__32379.2670890272$1469194783$gmane$org@webmail.messagingengine.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87d1m754jc.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> 
> This patchset addresses two use cases:
> - Implement a sane upper bound on the number of namespaces.
> - Provide a way for sandboxes to limit the attack surface from
>   namespaces.

Perhaps this is obvious, but since you didn't quite explicitly state it;
do you see this as obsoleting the existing downstream patches
mentioned in:
https://lwn.net/Articles/673597/
It seems conceptually similar to Kees' original approach, right?

The high level makes sense to me...most interesting is
per-userns sysctls.  I'll note most current container managers
mount /proc/sys read-only, and Docker specifically drops
CAP_SYS_RESOURCE by default, so they'd likely need to learn
how to undo that if one wanted to support recursive container usage.
We'd probably need to evaluate the safety of having /proc/sys
writable generally.  (Also it's rather common to filter out CLONE_NEWUSER
via seccomp, but that's easy to undo)

But that's the flip side - if we're aiming primarily for an upstreamable
way to *limit* namespace usage, it seems sane to me.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-07-22 13:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-20  1:13 [PATCH 0/10] userns: sysctl limits for namespaces Eric W. Biederman
     [not found] ` <8737n5dscy.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20  1:21   ` [PATCH 01/10] sysctl: Stop implicitly passing current into sysctl_table_root.lookup Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <20160720012138.7894-1-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 02/10] userns: Add per user namespace sysctls Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <20160720012138.7894-2-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20  5:12           ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20160720051226.GC16885-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20 15:55               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <87shv49ud0.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20 16:43                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                     ` <20160720164347.GA24378-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 14:41                       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                         ` <87invz9hpz.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 15:07                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-20  6:28           ` Nikolay Borisov
     [not found]             ` <578F1A00.6030701-6AxghH7DbtA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 15:37               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 03/10] userns: Add a limit on the number of user namespaces Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <20160720012138.7894-3-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20  7:03           ` Nikolay Borisov
     [not found]             ` <578F2233.2040708-6AxghH7DbtA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 15:23               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 04/10] userns: Generalize the user namespace count into ucount Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 05/10] pidns: Add a limit on the number of pid namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 06/10] utsns: Add a limit on the number of uts namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 07/10] ipcns: Add a limit on the number of ipc namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 08/10] cgroupns: Add a limit on the number of cgroup namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 09/10] netns: Add a limit on the number of net namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 10/10] mntns: Add a limit on the number of mount namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:58       ` [PATCH 01/10] sysctl: Stop implicitly passing current into sysctl_table_root.lookup Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  5:06       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-20  4:02   ` [PATCH 0/10] userns: sysctl limits for namespaces Kees Cook
     [not found]     ` <CAGXu5jKWjHKxtPSGuogjR+XE+SbNWiUp2bOxugpD+hUex9QeZA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 14:49       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:58       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <871t2n53o5.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 18:46           ` Kees Cook
2016-07-21 16:39   ` [PATCH v2 00/10] " Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:39     ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-22 13:33     ` Colin Walters
     [not found]       ` <1469194399.3817016.673814953.7581706C-2RFepEojUI2N1INw9kWLP6GC3tUn3ZHUQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-22 18:45         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-22 18:45           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-22 21:46           ` Kees Cook
2016-07-23  2:11             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-23  2:11               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-23  2:11               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <CAGXu5j+X7eWggkwpBpABsFe4hqK5LN1mYJ2TH91qj3iSe6rtcQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-23  2:11               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <87poq5y0jw.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-22 21:46             ` Kees Cook
     [not found]     ` <87d1m754jc.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 16:40       ` [PATCH v2 01/10] sysctl: Stop implicitly passing current into sysctl_table_root.lookup Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40         ` [PATCH v2 04/10] userns: Generalize the user namespace count into ucount Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <20160721164014.17534-4-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:09             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 23:09           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 23:09             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-21 16:40         ` [PATCH v2 06/10] utsns: Add a limit on the number of uts namespaces Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <20160721164014.17534-6-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:09             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 23:09               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]         ` <20160721164014.17534-1-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 02/10] userns: Add per user namespace sysctls Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <20160721164014.17534-2-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26  0:02               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26  0:02                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <878twp6zd2.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26  0:24                   ` David Miller
2016-07-26  0:24                     ` David Miller
     [not found]                     ` <20160725.172406.352408511647766870.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26  0:44                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26  0:44                         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                         ` <87k2g95it9.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26  2:58                           ` David Miller
2016-07-26  2:58                             ` David Miller
     [not found]                             ` <20160725.195836.1881375122073635224.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26  4:00                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26  4:00                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26  4:00                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 03/10] userns: Add a limit on the number of user namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <20160721164014.17534-3-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:05               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 23:05             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 04/10] userns: Generalize the user namespace count into ucount Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 05/10] pidns: Add a limit on the number of pid namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <20160721164014.17534-5-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:09               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 23:09                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 06/10] utsns: Add a limit on the number of uts namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 07/10] ipcns: Add a limit on the number of ipc namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-25 23:10             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20160721164014.17534-7-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:10               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 08/10] cgroupns: Add a limit on the number of cgroup namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-25 23:12             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 23:12               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20160721164014.17534-8-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:12               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 09/10] netns: Add a limit on the number of net namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-25 23:13             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20160721164014.17534-9-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:13               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-26  6:01               ` Andrei Vagin
2016-07-26  6:01                 ` Andrei Vagin
     [not found]                 ` <CANaxB-zfkvu9XYkuYB47tYFGLeVnWBhpgEUaSrGD4+-O8ThcNw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 20:00                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 20:00                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 10/10] mntns: Add a limit on the number of mount namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <20160721164014.17534-10-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:15             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 23:15               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-22 13:33       ` Colin Walters [this message]
2016-07-26 10:27       ` [PATCH v2 00/10] userns: sysctl limits for namespaces Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-07-26 10:27         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]         ` <94b608ae-1d06-5c41-cbd5-94e663a2163a-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 15:14           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 15:14             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 15:14             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 10:30       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-07-26 10:30         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]         ` <6be70177-a81d-7ed8-d2c9-a596d4d6a165-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 15:06           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 15:06         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 15:06           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 15:06           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 16:52           ` Kees Cook
2016-07-26 16:52             ` Kees Cook
     [not found]             ` <CAGXu5j+ZtZAFpW0ajnnBTRZk17ez6XYF=meEJY_rF7wwgyZB5Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 17:29               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-07-26 17:29             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-07-26 17:29               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]               ` <CAKgNAkhCvb-WkBbwebbBw6cfhg0FJ-SSbvK=aS1WK+BQ55eO5Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 20:44                 ` Kees Cook
2016-07-26 20:44               ` Kees Cook
     [not found]           ` <87shuwtp4c.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 16:52             ` Kees Cook
2016-08-08 21:16       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-08-08 21:16         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-08-08 21:16         ` Eric W. Biederman

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