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From: ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
	<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Linux Containers
	<containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Seth Forshee
	<seth.forshee-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>,
	Nikolay Borisov <kernel-6AxghH7DbtA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Jann Horn <jann-XZ1E9jl8jIdeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/10] userns: sysctl limits for namespaces
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:14:06 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877fc8tosh.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <94b608ae-1d06-5c41-cbd5-94e663a2163a-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> (Michael Kerrisk's message of "Tue, 26 Jul 2016 12:27:59 +0200")

"Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Hello Eric,
>
> On 07/21/2016 06:39 PM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>
>> This patchset addresses two use cases:
>> - Implement a sane upper bound on the number of namespaces.
>> - Provide a way for sandboxes to limit the attack surface from
>>   namespaces.
>>
>> The maximum sane case I can imagine is if every process is a fat
>> process, so I set the maximum number of namespaces to the maximum
>> number of threads.
>>
>> I make these limits recursive and per user namespace so that a
>> usernamespace root can reduce the limits further.  If a user namespace
>> root raises the limit the limit in the parent namespace will be honored.
>>
>> I have cut this implementation to the bare minimum needed to achieve
>> these objectives.
>>
>> Does anyone know if there is a proper error code to return for resource
>> limit exceeded?  I am currently using -EUSERS or -ENFILE but both of
>> those feel a little wrong.
>
> ENFILE certainly seems weird. I suppose my first question is: why two
> different errors?

EUSERS was there in the user namespace case for this condition (well
nesting depth but same principle) so it made sense to start with.  But
too many users doesn't really make sense.

ENFILE is actually slightly less insane.  It actually is about hitting a
resource limit, and seemed the most generic catchall we had.

> Some alternatives you might want to consider: E2BIG, EOVERFLOW,
> or (maybe) ERANGE.

My problem with those is typically those are about the values in fields,
not about creating too many things.  So those really don't feel right.
EACCESS or EPERM might be better but those are very very generic.

I really want ETOOMANY or something like that.

I am actually surprised given how common this pattern is, and the fact that
rlimits have existed forever, that we don't have a resource limit
exceeded error code.  I suppose it might be worth looking at Posix to
see if they have any suggestions.  Perhaps it may even be time to add an
appropriate error code to the list.

Not the most important thing out of this patch series but something
worth looking at.

Eric

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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "Michael Kerrisk \(man-pages\)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
Cc: Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>, Jann Horn <jann@thejh.net>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Nikolay Borisov <kernel@kyup.com>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/10] userns: sysctl limits for namespaces
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:14:06 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877fc8tosh.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <94b608ae-1d06-5c41-cbd5-94e663a2163a@gmail.com> (Michael Kerrisk's message of "Tue, 26 Jul 2016 12:27:59 +0200")

"Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com> writes:

> Hello Eric,
>
> On 07/21/2016 06:39 PM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>
>> This patchset addresses two use cases:
>> - Implement a sane upper bound on the number of namespaces.
>> - Provide a way for sandboxes to limit the attack surface from
>>   namespaces.
>>
>> The maximum sane case I can imagine is if every process is a fat
>> process, so I set the maximum number of namespaces to the maximum
>> number of threads.
>>
>> I make these limits recursive and per user namespace so that a
>> usernamespace root can reduce the limits further.  If a user namespace
>> root raises the limit the limit in the parent namespace will be honored.
>>
>> I have cut this implementation to the bare minimum needed to achieve
>> these objectives.
>>
>> Does anyone know if there is a proper error code to return for resource
>> limit exceeded?  I am currently using -EUSERS or -ENFILE but both of
>> those feel a little wrong.
>
> ENFILE certainly seems weird. I suppose my first question is: why two
> different errors?

EUSERS was there in the user namespace case for this condition (well
nesting depth but same principle) so it made sense to start with.  But
too many users doesn't really make sense.

ENFILE is actually slightly less insane.  It actually is about hitting a
resource limit, and seemed the most generic catchall we had.

> Some alternatives you might want to consider: E2BIG, EOVERFLOW,
> or (maybe) ERANGE.

My problem with those is typically those are about the values in fields,
not about creating too many things.  So those really don't feel right.
EACCESS or EPERM might be better but those are very very generic.

I really want ETOOMANY or something like that.

I am actually surprised given how common this pattern is, and the fact that
rlimits have existed forever, that we don't have a resource limit
exceeded error code.  I suppose it might be worth looking at Posix to
see if they have any suggestions.  Perhaps it may even be time to add an
appropriate error code to the list.

Not the most important thing out of this patch series but something
worth looking at.

Eric

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From: ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "Michael Kerrisk \(man-pages\)"
	<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Linux Containers
	<containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Seth Forshee
	<seth.forshee-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>,
	Nikolay Borisov <kernel-6AxghH7DbtA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Jann Horn <jann-XZ1E9jl8jIdeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/10] userns: sysctl limits for namespaces
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:14:06 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877fc8tosh.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <94b608ae-1d06-5c41-cbd5-94e663a2163a-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> (Michael Kerrisk's message of "Tue, 26 Jul 2016 12:27:59 +0200")

"Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Hello Eric,
>
> On 07/21/2016 06:39 PM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>
>> This patchset addresses two use cases:
>> - Implement a sane upper bound on the number of namespaces.
>> - Provide a way for sandboxes to limit the attack surface from
>>   namespaces.
>>
>> The maximum sane case I can imagine is if every process is a fat
>> process, so I set the maximum number of namespaces to the maximum
>> number of threads.
>>
>> I make these limits recursive and per user namespace so that a
>> usernamespace root can reduce the limits further.  If a user namespace
>> root raises the limit the limit in the parent namespace will be honored.
>>
>> I have cut this implementation to the bare minimum needed to achieve
>> these objectives.
>>
>> Does anyone know if there is a proper error code to return for resource
>> limit exceeded?  I am currently using -EUSERS or -ENFILE but both of
>> those feel a little wrong.
>
> ENFILE certainly seems weird. I suppose my first question is: why two
> different errors?

EUSERS was there in the user namespace case for this condition (well
nesting depth but same principle) so it made sense to start with.  But
too many users doesn't really make sense.

ENFILE is actually slightly less insane.  It actually is about hitting a
resource limit, and seemed the most generic catchall we had.

> Some alternatives you might want to consider: E2BIG, EOVERFLOW,
> or (maybe) ERANGE.

My problem with those is typically those are about the values in fields,
not about creating too many things.  So those really don't feel right.
EACCESS or EPERM might be better but those are very very generic.

I really want ETOOMANY or something like that.

I am actually surprised given how common this pattern is, and the fact that
rlimits have existed forever, that we don't have a resource limit
exceeded error code.  I suppose it might be worth looking at Posix to
see if they have any suggestions.  Perhaps it may even be time to add an
appropriate error code to the list.

Not the most important thing out of this patch series but something
worth looking at.

Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-07-26 15:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-20  1:13 [PATCH 0/10] userns: sysctl limits for namespaces Eric W. Biederman
     [not found] ` <8737n5dscy.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20  1:21   ` [PATCH 01/10] sysctl: Stop implicitly passing current into sysctl_table_root.lookup Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <20160720012138.7894-1-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 02/10] userns: Add per user namespace sysctls Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <20160720012138.7894-2-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20  5:12           ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20160720051226.GC16885-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20 15:55               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <87shv49ud0.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20 16:43                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                     ` <20160720164347.GA24378-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 14:41                       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                         ` <87invz9hpz.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 15:07                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-20  6:28           ` Nikolay Borisov
     [not found]             ` <578F1A00.6030701-6AxghH7DbtA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 15:37               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 03/10] userns: Add a limit on the number of user namespaces Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <20160720012138.7894-3-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20  7:03           ` Nikolay Borisov
     [not found]             ` <578F2233.2040708-6AxghH7DbtA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 15:23               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 04/10] userns: Generalize the user namespace count into ucount Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 05/10] pidns: Add a limit on the number of pid namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 06/10] utsns: Add a limit on the number of uts namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 07/10] ipcns: Add a limit on the number of ipc namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 08/10] cgroupns: Add a limit on the number of cgroup namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 09/10] netns: Add a limit on the number of net namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 10/10] mntns: Add a limit on the number of mount namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:58       ` [PATCH 01/10] sysctl: Stop implicitly passing current into sysctl_table_root.lookup Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  5:06       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-20  4:02   ` [PATCH 0/10] userns: sysctl limits for namespaces Kees Cook
     [not found]     ` <CAGXu5jKWjHKxtPSGuogjR+XE+SbNWiUp2bOxugpD+hUex9QeZA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 14:49       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:58       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <871t2n53o5.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 18:46           ` Kees Cook
2016-07-21 16:39   ` [PATCH v2 00/10] " Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:39     ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-22 13:33     ` Colin Walters
     [not found]       ` <1469194399.3817016.673814953.7581706C-2RFepEojUI2N1INw9kWLP6GC3tUn3ZHUQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-22 18:45         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-22 18:45           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-22 21:46           ` Kees Cook
2016-07-23  2:11             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-23  2:11               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-23  2:11               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <CAGXu5j+X7eWggkwpBpABsFe4hqK5LN1mYJ2TH91qj3iSe6rtcQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-23  2:11               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <87poq5y0jw.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-22 21:46             ` Kees Cook
     [not found]     ` <87d1m754jc.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 16:40       ` [PATCH v2 01/10] sysctl: Stop implicitly passing current into sysctl_table_root.lookup Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40         ` [PATCH v2 04/10] userns: Generalize the user namespace count into ucount Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <20160721164014.17534-4-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:09             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 23:09           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 23:09             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-21 16:40         ` [PATCH v2 06/10] utsns: Add a limit on the number of uts namespaces Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <20160721164014.17534-6-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:09             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 23:09               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]         ` <20160721164014.17534-1-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 02/10] userns: Add per user namespace sysctls Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <20160721164014.17534-2-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26  0:02               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26  0:02                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <878twp6zd2.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26  0:24                   ` David Miller
2016-07-26  0:24                     ` David Miller
     [not found]                     ` <20160725.172406.352408511647766870.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26  0:44                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26  0:44                         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                         ` <87k2g95it9.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26  2:58                           ` David Miller
2016-07-26  2:58                             ` David Miller
     [not found]                             ` <20160725.195836.1881375122073635224.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26  4:00                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26  4:00                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26  4:00                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 03/10] userns: Add a limit on the number of user namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <20160721164014.17534-3-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:05               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 23:05             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 04/10] userns: Generalize the user namespace count into ucount Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 05/10] pidns: Add a limit on the number of pid namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <20160721164014.17534-5-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:09               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 23:09                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 06/10] utsns: Add a limit on the number of uts namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 07/10] ipcns: Add a limit on the number of ipc namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-25 23:10             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20160721164014.17534-7-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:10               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 08/10] cgroupns: Add a limit on the number of cgroup namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-25 23:12             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 23:12               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20160721164014.17534-8-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:12               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 09/10] netns: Add a limit on the number of net namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-25 23:13             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20160721164014.17534-9-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:13               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-26  6:01               ` Andrei Vagin
2016-07-26  6:01                 ` Andrei Vagin
     [not found]                 ` <CANaxB-zfkvu9XYkuYB47tYFGLeVnWBhpgEUaSrGD4+-O8ThcNw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 20:00                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 20:00                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 10/10] mntns: Add a limit on the number of mount namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <20160721164014.17534-10-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:15             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 23:15               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-22 13:33       ` [PATCH v2 00/10] userns: sysctl limits for namespaces Colin Walters
2016-07-26 10:27       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-07-26 10:27         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]         ` <94b608ae-1d06-5c41-cbd5-94e663a2163a-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 15:14           ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2016-07-26 15:14             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 15:14             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 10:30       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-07-26 10:30         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]         ` <6be70177-a81d-7ed8-d2c9-a596d4d6a165-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 15:06           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 15:06         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 15:06           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 15:06           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 16:52           ` Kees Cook
2016-07-26 16:52             ` Kees Cook
     [not found]             ` <CAGXu5j+ZtZAFpW0ajnnBTRZk17ez6XYF=meEJY_rF7wwgyZB5Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 17:29               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-07-26 17:29             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-07-26 17:29               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]               ` <CAKgNAkhCvb-WkBbwebbBw6cfhg0FJ-SSbvK=aS1WK+BQ55eO5Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 20:44                 ` Kees Cook
2016-07-26 20:44               ` Kees Cook
     [not found]           ` <87shuwtp4c.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 16:52             ` Kees Cook
2016-08-08 21:16       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-08-08 21:16         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-08-08 21:16         ` Eric W. Biederman

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