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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, keescook@chromium.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	luto@amacapital.net, seth.forshee@canonical.com, kernel@kyup.com,
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	jann@thejh.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] userns: Add per user namespace sysctls.
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 23:00:31 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877fc92gm8.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160725.195836.1881375122073635224.davem@davemloft.net> (David Miller's message of "Mon, 25 Jul 2016 19:58:36 -0700 (PDT)")

David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> writes:

> From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 19:44:50 -0500
>
>> User namespaces have enabled unprivileged users access to a lot more
>> data structures and so to catch programs that go crazy we need a lot
>> more limits.  I believe some of those limits make sense per namespace.
>> As it is easy in some cases to say any more than Y number of those
>> per namespace is excessive.   For example a limit of 1,000,000 ipv4
>> routes per network namespaces is a sanity check as there are
>> currently 621,649 ipv4 prefixes advertized in bgp.
>
> When we give a new namespace to unprivileged users, we honestly should
> make the sysctl settings we give to them become "limits".  They can
> further constrain the sysctl settings but may not raise them.

I won't disagree.  I was thinking in terms of global setting that
hold the limits for per namespace counters.  As we are talking sanity
check limits.

Perhaps we could get sophisticated and do something more but the simpler
we can make things and get the job done the better.

Eric

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From: ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org (Eric W. Biederman)
To: David Miller <davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] userns: Add per user namespace sysctls.
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 23:00:31 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877fc92gm8.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160725.195836.1881375122073635224.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org> (David Miller's message of "Mon, 25 Jul 2016 19:58:36 -0700 (PDT)")

David Miller <davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org> writes:

> From: ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org (Eric W. Biederman)
> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 19:44:50 -0500
>
>> User namespaces have enabled unprivileged users access to a lot more
>> data structures and so to catch programs that go crazy we need a lot
>> more limits.  I believe some of those limits make sense per namespace.
>> As it is easy in some cases to say any more than Y number of those
>> per namespace is excessive.   For example a limit of 1,000,000 ipv4
>> routes per network namespaces is a sanity check as there are
>> currently 621,649 ipv4 prefixes advertized in bgp.
>
> When we give a new namespace to unprivileged users, we honestly should
> make the sysctl settings we give to them become "limits".  They can
> further constrain the sysctl settings but may not raise them.

I won't disagree.  I was thinking in terms of global setting that
hold the limits for per namespace counters.  As we are talking sanity
check limits.

Perhaps we could get sophisticated and do something more but the simpler
we can make things and get the job done the better.

Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-07-26  4:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-20  1:13 [PATCH 0/10] userns: sysctl limits for namespaces Eric W. Biederman
     [not found] ` <8737n5dscy.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20  1:21   ` [PATCH 01/10] sysctl: Stop implicitly passing current into sysctl_table_root.lookup Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <20160720012138.7894-1-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 02/10] userns: Add per user namespace sysctls Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <20160720012138.7894-2-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20  5:12           ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20160720051226.GC16885-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20 15:55               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <87shv49ud0.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20 16:43                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                     ` <20160720164347.GA24378-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 14:41                       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                         ` <87invz9hpz.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 15:07                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-20  6:28           ` Nikolay Borisov
     [not found]             ` <578F1A00.6030701-6AxghH7DbtA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 15:37               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 03/10] userns: Add a limit on the number of user namespaces Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <20160720012138.7894-3-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20  7:03           ` Nikolay Borisov
     [not found]             ` <578F2233.2040708-6AxghH7DbtA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 15:23               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 04/10] userns: Generalize the user namespace count into ucount Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 05/10] pidns: Add a limit on the number of pid namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 06/10] utsns: Add a limit on the number of uts namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 07/10] ipcns: Add a limit on the number of ipc namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 08/10] cgroupns: Add a limit on the number of cgroup namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 09/10] netns: Add a limit on the number of net namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:21       ` [PATCH 10/10] mntns: Add a limit on the number of mount namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  1:58       ` [PATCH 01/10] sysctl: Stop implicitly passing current into sysctl_table_root.lookup Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  5:06       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-20  4:02   ` [PATCH 0/10] userns: sysctl limits for namespaces Kees Cook
     [not found]     ` <CAGXu5jKWjHKxtPSGuogjR+XE+SbNWiUp2bOxugpD+hUex9QeZA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 14:49       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:58       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <871t2n53o5.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 18:46           ` Kees Cook
2016-07-21 16:39   ` [PATCH v2 00/10] " Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:39     ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-22 13:33     ` Colin Walters
     [not found]       ` <1469194399.3817016.673814953.7581706C-2RFepEojUI2N1INw9kWLP6GC3tUn3ZHUQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-22 18:45         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-22 18:45           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-22 21:46           ` Kees Cook
2016-07-23  2:11             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-23  2:11               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-23  2:11               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <CAGXu5j+X7eWggkwpBpABsFe4hqK5LN1mYJ2TH91qj3iSe6rtcQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-23  2:11               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <87poq5y0jw.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-22 21:46             ` Kees Cook
     [not found]     ` <87d1m754jc.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 16:40       ` [PATCH v2 01/10] sysctl: Stop implicitly passing current into sysctl_table_root.lookup Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40         ` [PATCH v2 04/10] userns: Generalize the user namespace count into ucount Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <20160721164014.17534-4-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:09             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 23:09           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 23:09             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-21 16:40         ` [PATCH v2 06/10] utsns: Add a limit on the number of uts namespaces Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <20160721164014.17534-6-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:09             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 23:09               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]         ` <20160721164014.17534-1-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 02/10] userns: Add per user namespace sysctls Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <20160721164014.17534-2-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26  0:02               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26  0:02                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <878twp6zd2.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26  0:24                   ` David Miller
2016-07-26  0:24                     ` David Miller
     [not found]                     ` <20160725.172406.352408511647766870.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26  0:44                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26  0:44                         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                         ` <87k2g95it9.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26  2:58                           ` David Miller
2016-07-26  2:58                             ` David Miller
     [not found]                             ` <20160725.195836.1881375122073635224.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26  4:00                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26  4:00                             ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2016-07-26  4:00                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 03/10] userns: Add a limit on the number of user namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <20160721164014.17534-3-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:05               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 23:05             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 04/10] userns: Generalize the user namespace count into ucount Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 05/10] pidns: Add a limit on the number of pid namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <20160721164014.17534-5-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:09               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 23:09                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 06/10] utsns: Add a limit on the number of uts namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 07/10] ipcns: Add a limit on the number of ipc namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-25 23:10             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20160721164014.17534-7-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:10               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 08/10] cgroupns: Add a limit on the number of cgroup namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-25 23:12             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 23:12               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20160721164014.17534-8-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:12               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 09/10] netns: Add a limit on the number of net namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-25 23:13             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20160721164014.17534-9-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:13               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-26  6:01               ` Andrei Vagin
2016-07-26  6:01                 ` Andrei Vagin
     [not found]                 ` <CANaxB-zfkvu9XYkuYB47tYFGLeVnWBhpgEUaSrGD4+-O8ThcNw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 20:00                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 20:00                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40           ` [PATCH v2 10/10] mntns: Add a limit on the number of mount namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 16:40         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <20160721164014.17534-10-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 23:15             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 23:15               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-22 13:33       ` [PATCH v2 00/10] userns: sysctl limits for namespaces Colin Walters
2016-07-26 10:27       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-07-26 10:27         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]         ` <94b608ae-1d06-5c41-cbd5-94e663a2163a-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 15:14           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 15:14             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 15:14             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 10:30       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-07-26 10:30         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]         ` <6be70177-a81d-7ed8-d2c9-a596d4d6a165-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 15:06           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 15:06         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 15:06           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 15:06           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 16:52           ` Kees Cook
2016-07-26 16:52             ` Kees Cook
     [not found]             ` <CAGXu5j+ZtZAFpW0ajnnBTRZk17ez6XYF=meEJY_rF7wwgyZB5Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 17:29               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-07-26 17:29             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-07-26 17:29               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]               ` <CAKgNAkhCvb-WkBbwebbBw6cfhg0FJ-SSbvK=aS1WK+BQ55eO5Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 20:44                 ` Kees Cook
2016-07-26 20:44               ` Kees Cook
     [not found]           ` <87shuwtp4c.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 16:52             ` Kees Cook
2016-08-08 21:16       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-08-08 21:16         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-08-08 21:16         ` Eric W. Biederman

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